[CESG] Re: SLS reply to SEA AD conditions for CESG review of CCSDS 131.5-O-1, Erasure Correcting Codes for Use in Near-Earth and Deep-Space Communications

[Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int]

Dear Peter,
        thank you for taking the time to quickly analyze the SLS response. 
 I am glad of listening that you are willing to withdraw the poll 
condition.
Your alternative condition is just normal practice as there is nothing 
like a "default promotion to blue book status for a published orange book" 
in CCSDS rules.
Moreover, whenever the C&S WG has approved (just by chance always under my 
WG chairmanship) starting an Orange Book (e.g. LDPC Codes, SCCC and, 
finally, Erasure Codes) it has always been remarked (and reported) that 
the Working Group consensus had to be intended as the fact that  "WG task 
will be limited to providing comments with no implication of support to 
eventual standardization."

SLS Area can therefore assure that CCSDS rules will be followed in 
producing a consensus standard that fits with the rest of our normal 
standards as this is normal practice and all characters from WG Members to 
CESG and CMC Members look after this.

Thank you for confirming to Secretariat that your conditions are fulfilled 
and we can proceed to next step.

Best ergards

Gian Paolo



From:   "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
To:     "Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int" <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>, 
"Nestor.Peccia at esa.int" <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>, 
Cc:     Moury Gilles <Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, "Massimo.Bertinelli at esa.int" 
<Massimo.Bertinelli at esa.int>, "Tomaso.deCola at dlr.de" 
<Tomaso.deCola at dlr.de>, CCSDS CESG -- <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>, Tom 
Gannett <tomg at aiaa.org>
Date:   22/10/2014 03:04
Subject:        Re: SLS reply to SEA AD conditions for CESG review of 
CCSDS 131.5-O-1, Erasure Correcting Codes for Use in Near-Earth and 
Deep-Space Communications



Dear Gippo, et al,

As promised I am providing my reply to your rejection of this SEA RID.  I 
am willing to withdraw this condition to publishing this Orange Book now, 
but must insist that a different, but related, condition be agreed to by 
the C&S WG and the SLS Area. 

My alternative condition is this:  That the SLS Area and C&S WG agree that 
this Orange Book shall not be proposed for promotion to Blue Book status 
unless and until the normal evaluation, comparison, study, analysis, and 
multi-agency prototyping be performed and concurred by the whole working 
group. 

I expressly wish to avoid a situation where this document sits around and, 
like a nice Bleu chesse, ages until it magically turns Blue.   As long as 
I am assured that shall not happen, and that normal CCSDS processes will 
be followed in producing a consensus standard that fits with the rest of 
our normal standards, I will remove this condition.

Do I have that agreement?

Best regards, Peter



From: Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Date: Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:10 AM
To: Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>, Nestor Peccia <
Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>
Cc: Gilles Moury <Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, "Massimo.Bertinelli at esa.int" <
Massimo.Bertinelli at esa.int>, "Tomaso.deCola at dlr.de" <Tomaso.deCola at dlr.de
>, Tomaso de Cola <Tomaso.deCola at dlr.de>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group 
- CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>, Tom Gannett <tomg at aiaa.org>
Subject: SLS reply to SEA AD conditions for CESG review of CCSDS 
131.5-O-1, Erasure Correcting Codes for Use in Near-Earth and Deep-Space 
Communications

Dear Peter, 
        in the above mentioned CESG Poll you have voted APPROVE WITH 
CONDITIONS.
Following such a vote, you find here attached the replies from Tomaso de 
Cola (book Editor and DLR representative in SLS-C&S) including some 
detailed technical discussion over your remarks.. 
Note that C&S WG Chair Massimo Bertinelli shares completely what Tomaso 
wrote as this is perfectly in line, in his opinion, with the decisions 
taken at WG level over the years.
Moreover, Gilles and I fully support DLR position as Experimental 
Specifications (Orange Books) are meant to document experimental solution 
developed unilaterally by an agency with no obligation to provide 
trade-off with justification and this was never requested to other 
precursor orange books. 

It is SLS Area opinion that your SEA AD conditions are therefore invalid 
and we all invite you to withdraw them.

Dear Nestor, 
        as CESG Chair can you please advice on the way to follow?

Thank you all and best regards 

Gian Paolo 


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