[Secretariat] RE: [CESG] Poll with conditions

Thu Jan 16 16:37:19 EST 2014

Tom,
Thanks for your detailed reply, even though it was delayed (wish I could help); it was still very helpful.
It appears we can close this action, and no further work is required.
BTW - I have corrected the “italicized” header.
Thanks,
—Laura

From: Thomas Gannett <tomg at aiaa.org<mailto:tomg at aiaa.org>>
Date: Thursday, January 16, 2014 at 4:06 PM
To: Brian Oliver <ccsds_techsupport at aiaa.org<mailto:ccsds_techsupport at aiaa.org>>
Cc: "Nestor.Peccia at esa.int<mailto:Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>" <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int<mailto:Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>>, "cesg at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>" <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>>
Subject: Re: [Secretariat] RE: [CESG] Poll with conditions

Laura:

The conditions and subsequent e-mail discussion reflect a great lot of confusion, and I don't know if there is an easy way to fix things or whether it is worth the trouble.

The current sort appears to be simply by document number, with a heading beginning before the A--s indicating the books that follow are "management" documents. In fact, the numbering system reserves major topic "A" for management, but major topic "B" covers a broader category that includes meeting minutes and other types of books, so calling everything after the As in the sort "management documents" is not really correct. Moreover, when Bob Stephens reserved "A" for management, he meant "management council": the books currently numbered beginning with "A" are all books that were developed outside working groups and are basically management-council documents, although in the modern period ownership is shared with the CESG.

Peter wanted his SANA book to fall in the "management" section, but he assumed it was a special section when in fact it is simply whatever books follow the heading that is inserted before the "A" series in the sort.

I personally think the best approach is to leave things as they are but get rid of the "Management" and "Technical" headings (one of which is italicized and one of which isn't, by the way).

Of the alternatives, 1) screwing around with the sort so that Peter's 3-- book ends up with the A-- books and the B-- book ends up with the 1s-9s, or 2) renumbering Peter's book to begin with an "A" so that it naturally sorts with other "management" books (we would of course need to come up with other headings for the B, C, D, E, etc., series), I prefer 2. However, renumbering the book would require polling, that's a lot of trouble, and I'm not sure it's worth it; and the SANA Yellow Book was developed by the SANA WG, not the Management Council, so numbering it with an "A" violates the original intent of the "A" assignment, even if I'm the only one who remembers it.

So you should be expected to be a little confused. I don't really think you should do anything until you get clear instruction, in any event.

Tom

At 03:20 PM 1/16/2014, ccsds techsupport wrote:
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Tom,
Brian asked me to take a look into this, and I must confess that I am a little confused.
After reviewing the e-mail chain below, it appears that there is several actions.  Can you confirm?
http://public.ccsds.org/publications/YellowBooks.aspx
1) CCSDS 313.0-Y-1  - Move this book the the “Management” Section on the Yellow Book page.
2) CCSDS B20.0-Y-2 - Move this book to the “Technical” Section on the Yellow Book page.
3) Fix the PDF icons in the “Management” section.  They appear to be missing.
Thanks,
—Laura

From: Thomas Gannett < thomas.gannett at tgannett.net<mailto:thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>>
Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 at 3:00 PM
To: "Shames, Peter M (312G)" < peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>>, "Barkley, Erik J (3970)" < erik.j.barkley at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:erik.j.barkley at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Cc: "Nestor.Peccia at esa.int<mailto:Nestor.Peccia at esa.int> " <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int<mailto:Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>>, Brian Oliver <briano at aiaa.org<mailto:briano at aiaa.org>>, "cesg at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cesg at mailman.ccsds.org> " <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cesg at mailman.ccsds.org> >
Subject: Re: [Secretariat] RE: [CESG] Poll with conditions

Peter:

Actually, what is going on on the Web site is simply a sort by document number, with a label identifying the Axx books as management (according to our numbering scheme).  I am sure there was never any intention to organize books in the list according to their content.

I fully expect Brian to respond that trying to make a 3xx appear at the bottom of the list with the Axx books is going to screw up the sort big time. If you think it's that important, we should probably renumber the SANA YB to begin with A.

Tom

At 02:45 PM 12/17/2013, Shames, Peter M (312G) wrote:
Thanks.  That'll fix it as far as I am concerned.  And good catch on that other YB, I saw it but didn't want to go there.

Peter

From: Tom Gannett <tomg at aiaa.org<mailto:tomg at aiaa.org>>
Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 11:25 AM
To: Erik Barkley < Erik.J.Barkley at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:Erik.J.Barkley at jpl.nasa.gov>>, Peter Shames < peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Cc: Nestor Peccia <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int<mailto:Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>>, Brian Oliver <briano at aiaa.org<mailto:briano at aiaa.org>>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cesg at mailman.ccsds.org> >
Subject: Re: [Secretariat] RE: [CESG] Poll with conditions

Peter:
I am a long-time formality enthusiast, and I am as fond of bureaucracy as anyone, but I suspect all that was needed was for someone to advise Brian that it is a management book. It's probably my fault for not so categorizing it when I delivered it.

Brian:
While we're on the subject, CCSDS B20.0-Y-2 is not a management book.
Tom
At 02:00 PM 12/17/2013, Barkley, Erik J (3970) wrote:
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Peter,

Thank you.   It’s something of a mystery to me as to why it was not originally “classified” as a management book – ie put in this section of the webpage for yellow books.  This clarifies the issue for me and I no longer have a condition for the poll.

-Erik

From: Shames, Peter M (312G)
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:06 AM
To: Barkley, Erik J (3970)
Cc: Brian Oliver; cesg at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>; Nestor.Peccia at esa.int<mailto:Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>
Subject: Re: [CESG] Poll with conditions

Erik,

In regard the specific clause in the request that the SANA Yellow Book, CCSDS 313.0-Y-1 (issued July 2011), "be re-classified as a CCSDS Management Publication", what I was asking was that it be given the same status as the other Yellow Books that are treated as CCSDS Management Publications, such as the Organization and Processes for the Consultative Committee for Space Data Systems. CCSDS A02.1-Y-3 , July 2011 or the CCSDS Publications Manual. CCSDS A20.0-Y-3, December 2011.

We have many Yellow Books, but many of them are just test reports.  These are all listed in the "Technical Yellow Books" section of the CCSDS web site located at http://public.ccsds.org/publications/YellowBooks.aspx.  What I am specifically requesting is that the SANA YB be moved into the section of this CCSDS Yellow Book page that is titled "Management Yellow Books".  This is where the Org & Proc and Pubs manuals are located.  No other changes are necessary, but this does signal the official "management book" status of the SANA YB.

Is that acceptable?

Thanks, Peter

From: Nestor Peccia <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int<mailto:Nestor.Peccia at esa.int> >
Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:11 AM
To: CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cesg at mailman.ccsds.org> >
Cc: Brian Oliver <briano at aiaa.org<mailto:briano at aiaa.org>>
Subject: [CESG] Poll with conditions

Peter
Are you aware of Erik's condition to  the poll ?
The website can only be updated once the condition is solved.
ciao
nestor
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CESG E-Poll Identifier: CESG-P-2013-11-002
Changes to the CCSDS Website Regarding SANA
Results of CESG poll beginning 14 November 2013 and ending 28 November 2013:
Abstain: 0 (0%)
Approve Unconditionally: 5 (83%) (Peccia, Taylor, Calzolari, Shames, Scott)
Approve with Conditions: 1 (17%) (Barkley)
Disapprove with Comment: 0 (0%)
CONDITIONS/COMMENTS:
Erik Barkley (Approve Unconditionally): Please clarify what is meant by
"a CCSDS Management Publication².
I assume by "SANA YB", the resolution is referring to CCSDS 313.0-Y-1
(issued July 2011) ? If so,
is this not already a procedure manual for SANA and as such is this not
already a "Management Publication" ?
I agree with the intent of the poll, but I want to be clear as to what
re-classification implies.
Total Respondents: 6
No response was received from the following Area(s):
SECRETARIAT INTERPRETATION OF RESULTS: Approved with Conditions
PROPOSED SECRETARIAT ACTION: Update website after conditions
are met
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