[Secretariat] RE: [CESG] Poll with conditions

Tue Dec 17 15:00:07 EST 2013

Peter:

Actually, what is going on on the Web site is 
simply a sort by document number, with a label 
identifying the Axx books as management 
(according to our numbering scheme).  I am sure 
there was never any intention to organize books 
in the list according to their content.

I fully expect Brian to respond that trying to 
make a 3xx appear at the bottom of the list with 
the Axx books is going to screw up the sort big 
time. If you think it's that important, we should 
probably renumber the SANA YB to begin with A.

Tom

At 02:45 PM 12/17/2013, Shames, Peter M (312G) wrote:
>Thanks.  That'll fix it as far as I am 
>concerned.  And good catch on that other YB, I 
>saw it but didn't want to go there.
>
>Peter
>
>
>From: Tom Gannett <<mailto:tomg at aiaa.org>tomg at aiaa.org>
>Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 11:25 AM
>To: Erik Barkley 
><<mailto:Erik.J.Barkley at jpl.nasa.gov>Erik.J.Barkley at jpl.nasa.gov>, 
>Peter Shames <<mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
>Cc: Nestor Peccia 
><<mailto:Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>, 
>Brian Oliver 
><<mailto:briano at aiaa.org>briano at aiaa.org>, CCSDS 
>Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec 
><<mailto:cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
>Subject: Re: [Secretariat] RE: [CESG] Poll with conditions
>
>Peter:
>
>I am a long-time formality enthusiast, and I am 
>as fond of bureaucracy as anyone, but I suspect 
>all that was needed was for someone to advise 
>Brian that it is a management book. It's 
>probably my fault for not so categorizing it when I delivered it.
>
>Brian:
>
>While we're on the subject, CCSDS B20.0-Y-2 is not a management book.
>
>Tom
>
>At 02:00 PM 12/17/2013, Barkley, Erik J (3970) wrote:
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>>Peter,
>>
>>Thank you.   It’s something of a mystery to me 
>>as to why it was not originally “classified” as 
>>a management book – ie put in this section of 
>>the webpage for yellow books.  This clarifies 
>>the issue for me and I no longer have a condition for the poll.
>>
>>-Erik
>>
>>From: Shames, Peter M (312G)
>>Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:06 AM
>>To: Barkley, Erik J (3970)
>>Cc: Brian Oliver; 
>><mailto:cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>cesg at mailman.ccsds.org; 
>><mailto:Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>Nestor.Peccia at esa.int
>>Subject: Re: [CESG] Poll with conditions
>>
>>Erik,
>>
>>In regard the specific clause in the request 
>>that the SANA Yellow Book, CCSDS 313.0-Y-1 
>>(issued July 2011), "be re-classified as a 
>>CCSDS Management Publication", what I was 
>>asking was that it be given the same status as 
>>the other Yellow Books that are treated as 
>>CCSDS Management Publications, such as the 
>>Organization and Processes for the Consultative 
>>Committee for Space Data Systems. CCSDS 
>>A02.1-Y-3 , July 2011 or the CCSDS Publications 
>>Manual. CCSDS A20.0-Y-3, December 2011.
>>
>>We have many Yellow Books, but many of them are 
>>just test reports.  These are all listed in the 
>>"Technical Yellow Books" section of the CCSDS 
>>web site located at 
>><http://public.ccsds.org/publications/YellowBooks.aspx>http://public.ccsds.org/publications/YellowBooks.aspx. 
>>What I am specifically requesting is that the 
>>SANA YB be moved into the section of this CCSDS 
>>Yellow Book page that is titled "Management 
>>Yellow Books".  This is where the Org & Proc 
>>and Pubs manuals are located.  No other changes 
>>are necessary, but this does signal the 
>>official "management book" status of the SANA YB.
>>
>>Is that acceptable?
>>
>>Thanks, Peter
>>
>>
>>From: Nestor Peccia <<mailto:Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>Nestor.Peccia at esa.int >
>>Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:11 AM
>>To: CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG 
>>Exec <<mailto:cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>cesg at mailman.ccsds.org >
>>Cc: Brian Oliver <<mailto:briano at aiaa.org>briano at aiaa.org>
>>Subject: [CESG] Poll with conditions
>>
>>Peter
>>Are you aware of Erik's condition to  the poll ?
>>The website can only be updated once the condition is solved.
>>ciao
>>nestor
>>=========================================
>>CESG E-Poll Identifier: CESG-P-2013-11-002
>>Changes to the CCSDS Website Regarding SANA
>>Results of CESG poll beginning 14 November 2013 and ending 28 November 2013:
>>
>>Abstain: 0 (0%)
>>Approve Unconditionally: 5 (83%) (Peccia, Taylor, Calzolari, Shames, Scott)
>>Approve with Conditions: 1 (17%) (Barkley)
>>Disapprove with Comment: 0 (0%)
>>CONDITIONS/COMMENTS:
>>Erik Barkley (Approve Unconditionally): Please clarify what is meant by
>>"a CCSDS Management Publication².
>>I assume by "SANA YB", the resolution is referring to CCSDS 313.0-Y-1
>>(issued July 2011) ? If so,
>>is this not already a procedure manual for SANA and as such is this not
>>already a "Management Publication" ?
>>I agree with the intent of the poll, but I want to be clear as to what
>>re-classification implies.
>>Total Respondents: 6
>>No response was received from the following Area(s):
>>SECRETARIAT INTERPRETATION OF RESULTS: Approved with Conditions
>>PROPOSED SECRETARIAT ACTION: Update website after conditions
>>are met
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