[Secretariat] Re: [Cesg-all] FW: ISO/IEC 9646-7, Information technology, Part7: Implementation Conformance Statements - Implementation Conformance testing methodology and framework

[John Garrett]

Thanks, I thought I was signed in, but seems like I wasn't.
I can see the documents now.

Cheers,
-JOhn

On 4/15/2011 1:39 PM, Brian Oliver wrote:
> Try signing in, and let me know if that does not work for you....
>
> On Apr 15, 2011, at 1:29 PM, "John Garrett" <John.G.Garrett at nasa.gov 
> <mailto:John.G.Garrett at nasa.gov>> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> First, it seems as if the URL to get to the ISO PICS Standard has been 
>> truncated.  I don't see any documents when clicking on it.
>>
>> Second, I'm assuming that the requirement for a PICS pro forma included in 
>> standards is only applicable to protocols.
>> After all the is what the P in PICS stands for.
>> It is not all that applicable in other cases such as Languages, Reference 
>> Models, etc.
>>
>> Finally, especially in the coming year with reduced budgets, does the benefit 
>> of having a PICS pro forma even for a protocol standard worth the increased 
>> cost of developing one to include in the standards especially since there is 
>> no requirement for anyone to complete a PICS statement for their 
>> implementation.  Will any agencies actually commit to providing PICS for their 
>> implementations?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -JOhn
>>
>> On 4/14/2011 11:38 AM, Shames, Peter M (313B) wrote:
>>> Dear CESG Colleagues,
>>>
>>> In reference to the note I sent out earlier in the week on the proposed PICS 
>>> Pro Forma update to the CCSDS Procedures, the Secretariat has contacted ISO 
>>> and made a copy of *ISO/IEC 9646-7* available to us for our use.  See the 
>>> appended note to locate it in the CWE.
>>>
>>> This is a 68 page document and it provides a very complete discussions of 
>>> different kinds of PICS Pro Formae, distinguishes between single protocol and 
>>> application profile PICS, and otherwise treats how to use this in documented 
>>> a standard and also how to use it to document the testing of a standard and 
>>> any implementations of a standard for compliance.
>>>
>>> I question whether we will want all of this material in the CCSDS Procedures, 
>>> even in an Annex.  An Annex of no more than 5 pages seems appropriate, but it 
>>> will be very difficult to provide in that limited space a very complete 
>>> coverage of the subject.  Perhaps that will be enough, if done well, but it 
>>> is likely to result in a rather uneven treatment of the topic by our document 
>>> editors.  So we are left with the question of whether we should also consider 
>>> adding a new CCSDS Yellow Book for PICS Pro Forma, PICS, and Testing that 
>>> incorporates much of what is in the ISO doc, but tailors it for our purposes. 
>>>  This would then be a companion to the updated CCSDS Procedures and Pubs manuals.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have an opinion about this?  Does anyone want to volunteer to 
>>> produce this edited Yellow Book? I seem to recall that Chris Taylor was 
>>> someone who was really keen on the inclusion of PICS Pro Formae in CCSDS 
>>> docs.  Perhaps he has the resources to get this done?
>>>
>>> Regards, Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Nick Tongson <nickt at aiaa.org <mailto:nickt at aiaa.org>>
>>> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 06:57:47 -0700
>>> To: Adrian Hooke <Adrian.J.Hooke at nasa.gov <mailto:Adrian.J.Hooke at nasa.gov>>, 
>>> Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>>
>>> Cc: Mike Kearney <Mike.Kearney at nasa.gov <mailto:Mike.Kearney at nasa.gov>>
>>> Subject: FW: ISO/IEC 9646-7, Information technology, Part7: Implementation 
>>> Conformance Statements - Implementation Conformance testing methodology and 
>>> framework
>>>
>>>     Peter, Adrian: ISO doesn’t have the Word version of ISO/IEC 9646-7 but I
>>>     did get permission to circulate the PDF files to those who need it within
>>>     the CCSDS community. One file is large so I’ve uploaded it on the CWE
>>>     (CESG/CWE Private/Reference Documents).
>>>
>>>     http://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/Forms/AllItems.aspx?RootFolder=%2Fcesg%2Fdocs%2FCWE%20Private%2FReference%20Documents&
>>>     <http://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/Forms/AllItems.aspx?RootFolder=%2Fcesg%2Fdocs%2FCWE%20Private%2FReference%20Documents&>
>>>
>>> *Please be discreet in your distribution.*
>>>
>>>     Nick
>>>
>>>     Nick Tongson
>>>
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