[CESG] Updated CSS Area slides for Lunar Interop Forum

Wed Apr 24 18:57:43 UTC 2024

Hi Peter,

yes this new version with yellow boxed looks better to me. I’ll use this, thank you for the support.

Regards,

Tomaso

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Betreff: Re: Updated CSS Area slides for Lunar Interop Forum

Dear Tomaso,

I agree with you about both the “psychedelic” aspects and the need for words.  When I sketched these “domains” I took the easy way out and just used the same colors as the Area, but it did not seem best to me either.

I’ve attached a revision that might work better.  I tried out a few contrasting colors and think this sort of bright yellow might be the best of the lot.  It draws attention and doesn’t fight with the other colors.  Hopefully it is also not too “psychedelic”.

As for the “words” part, that is up to each of us.  When I present the animated chart I’ll quickly point out the features of each area and their extent.  When you present your Area you get to reinforce the domain of services in whatever way best suits the point you are making in the context of lunar interoperability.

I think that will work.

Best regards, Peter

From: Tomaso.deCola at dlr.de<mailto:Tomaso.deCola at dlr.de> <Tomaso.deCola at dlr.de<mailto:Tomaso.deCola at dlr.de>>
Date: Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 12:21 AM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] AW: Updated CSS Area slides for Lunar Interop Forum
Hi Peter,

conceptually I agree with you, since the additional boxes you added in the two charts give the full extension of CSS and SIS. What I’m a bit scared of is that we end up in “psychedelic” picture with so many colours overlapping that could make the understanding even more difficult. Probably boxes (or polygons) in a different colour could work better. I’m however still convinced that a verbal description would make everything much clearer.

@Erik: what do you think?

Tomaso

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Betreff: Re: Updated CSS Area slides for Lunar Interop Forum

I get the issue that both Tomaso and Erik have brought up.

I will point out that because we are using the animated graphic there will be time (albeit brief) to address the coverage issue up front.

And you could, if you wished to do a little “chartsmanship”, add extensions from the core CSS and SIS “lanes” to incorporate more of the “territory” that is covered.  Might look like pgs 12 (SIS) & 13 (CSS) in the attached update to my slides.

Cheers, Peter

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Date: Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:22 AM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [CESG] Updated CSS Area slides for Lunar Interop Forum
Hello Tomaso,

Thank you for the inputs. I will make the editorial changes as you have suggested and as we agreed at the CESG meeting earlier today. Regarding the separation of the areas with regard to the "Kearney graphic" I would argue that even for the CSS area the nice little boundary is not quite so. And I noted this when putting the slide together and had already planned to make a verbal remark about the mission operations center in fact actually being in the diagram insomuch as it interfaces with the various agency ground communication stations which is not shown when it sliced up the way it is on the picture.  But I think ultimately the picture is good enough to help the audience navigate the different areas it about which we will be speaking.

Best regards,
-Erik

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] AW: Updated CSS Area slides for Lunar Interop Forum

Hi Erik,

thank you for sharing the slides.

Just a few editorial comments (maybe relevant also for the other area slides):

  *   In the cover slide, I’d add “(CSS)” after “Cross Support Services Area”, since CSS is then used in the following slide.
  *   On Slide 3, on the top-right corner there is again the picture from slide 2, where only the CSS area is highlighted. I’m wondering whether this is really needed, since the picture is quite small (ok it will be displayed on a huge display I guess) and as such not so much readable. Moreover, we have presented the CCSDS area sketch already in the previous slide and as such I’m not sure repeating it here will give any added value.

Just a note on the famous picture on slide 2, the separation of applicability contexts for CSS, SOIS, and SLS areas is quite clear, as it corresponds to the vertical boxes all with different colours. For SIS and MOIMS as well (I’d say), it is not really like this. If you check the lines indicated in the picture, the red (MOIMS) and magenta (SIS) the are almost e2e from the onboard assets until the final users. As such, probably this aspect should be made clear verbally by SIS and MOIMS during the presentation just to avoid misunderstanding.

Concerning SIS slides, they will come in a few hours.

Talk to you all later today,

Best,

Tomaso
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Betreff: [CESG] Updated CSS Area slides for Lunar Interop Forum

CESG Colleagues,

Based on the updated slides between Ignacio and Peter last week, attached please find an updated set of slides for the CSS area. I look forward to an interesting discussion tomorrow.

Best regards,
-Erik
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