[CESG] CESG Items brought to the attention of the CMC

[Barkley, Erik J (3970)]

Although there is some appeal to getting the metrics, I will note, that in practice, installing proper processing may not be so easy.  Who will keep all the metrics? The secretariat? Will we note the average number of conditions for approval with conditions?  Will we track or otherwise correlate this with respect area of origin of the poll? Will these metric definitions be registered?  I will note that as the CSS AD, I have often had a number of iterations internal to the area prior to moving a recommendation forward for a poll such that I will not vote approve with conditions/disapprove for a poll originating from area (it seems like sloppy work at the minimum on my part if I do so and at the worst, can be seen as indication of the area not knowing what is doing).  So I think there are some considerations, discussion needed.

-Erik

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Subject: Re: [CESG] CESG Items brought to the attention of the CMC

Peter
Do not forget the periods we had with a lot of DADs not participating, and There was nothing to support that
It is 5 cents on the right direction and it does not need a lot of consensus
What you are requesting needs discussion within the CESG
I do not buy it so easily before an in depth discussion
And if there is no consensus at CESG, it will be a NO GO
Ciao
Nestor

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On 27.04.2015, at 19:38, Shames, Peter M (312B) <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote:
Ok.  I do think that if we are going to start keeping statistics that it should include something more meaningful than just "they showed up".

Regards, Peter



From: Nestor Peccia <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int<mailto:Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>>
Date: Monday, April 27, 2015 at 9:26 AM
To: Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Cc: CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>>
Subject: Re: [CESG] CESG Items brought to the attention of the CMC

Peter
Thanks. I have included all your comments but the last one

How about also recording CESG voting patterns?  I believe that a lot of ADs always vote  “Abstain” or “Approve  unconditionally”, even for  documents with many obvious issues.  The issue is not just if they show up, but also how they carry out their duties.

It needs a discussion during the next webex. I have already included the item in the 1st June 2015 Agenda

ciao
nestor

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