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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Although there is some appeal to getting the metrics, I will note, that in practice, installing proper processing may not be so easy. Who will keep all the metrics?
The secretariat? Will we note the average number of conditions for approval with conditions? Will we track or otherwise correlate this with respect area of origin of the poll? Will these metric definitions be registered? I will note that as the CSS AD, I
have often had a number of iterations internal to the area prior to moving a recommendation forward for a poll such that I will not vote approve with conditions/disapprove for a poll originating from area (it seems like sloppy work at the minimum on my part
if I do so and at the worst, can be seen as indication of the area not knowing what is doing). So I think there are some considerations, discussion needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nestor.Peccia@esa.int<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 27, 2015 10:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shames, Peter M (312B)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cesg@mailman.ccsds.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CESG] CESG Items brought to the attention of the CMC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do not forget the periods we had with a lot of DADs not participating, and There was nothing to support that<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is 5 cents on the right direction and it does not need a lot of consensus<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What you are requesting needs discussion within the CESG<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I do not buy it so easily before an in depth discussion<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And if there is no consensus at CESG, it will be a NO GO<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ciao<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nestor<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 27.04.2015, at 19:38, Shames, Peter M (312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ok. I do think that if we are going to start keeping statistics that it should include something more meaningful than just "they showed up".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards, Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Nestor Peccia <<a href="mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int">Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, April 27, 2015 at 9:26 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Peter Shames <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] CESG Items brought to the attention of the CMC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Peter</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks. I have included all your comments but the last one</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red">How about also recording CESG voting patterns? I believe that a lot of ADs always vote “Abstain” or “Approve unconditionally”, even for documents with many obvious issues. The issue
is not just if they show up, but also how they carry out their duties.</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">It needs a discussion during the next webex. I have already included the item in the 1st June 2015 Agenda</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">ciao</span> <br>
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