[SOIS-WIR] [Sls-rfm] Fw: [EXTERNAL] Fw: CCSDS-883-R-0 CESG Request for final review

Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int
Mon Jan 17 19:16:58 UTC 2022


Kevin,

either option works for me as I stated earlier this morning.

Regards, Enrico



From:   "Kevin K Gifford" <kevin.gifford at colorado.edu>
To:     "Shames, Peter M (US 312B)" <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>, 
"Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int" <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>, "Issler Jean-Luc" 
<Jean-Luc.Issler at cnes.fr>
Cc:     "Moury Gilles" <Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, 
"Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int" <Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int>, 
"CCSDS Secretariat" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>, 
"sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org" <sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org>, "Kevin K Gifford" 
<kevin.gifford at colorado.edu>, "sois-wir at mailman.ccsds.org" 
<sois-wir at mailman.ccsds.org>
Date:   17/01/22 18:43
Subject:        Re: [Sls-rfm] Fw: [EXTERNAL] Fw: CCSDS-883-R-0 CESG 
Request for final review



Hi Peter - 

Your suggestion is fine with me; Enrico indicated previously that the 
"must" in your below sentence was also an acceptable resolution.

@Enrico: Can you please reply to explicitly confirm?

@Tom: Will you make the change and move towards polling and publication, 
please?

Thanks.

Kevin

From: Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 10:38 AM
To: Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>; Kevin K Gifford 
<kevin.gifford at colorado.edu>; Issler Jean-Luc <Jean-Luc.Issler at cnes.fr>
Cc: Moury Gilles <Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>; Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int 
<Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int>; CCSDS Secretariat 
<thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>; sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org 
<sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: Re: [Sls-rfm] Fw: [EXTERNAL] Fw: CCSDS-883-R-0 CESG Request for 
final review 
 
Dear Enrico, Jean-Luc, Kevin, et al,
 
I am glad that this saga appears to be coming to a close.  I support the 
revised version and the intent of protecting the shield zone of the Moon.
 
That said, I do want to point out that this CCSDS document really has no 
jurisdiction to enforce international regulations such as those 
promulgated by the ITU nor the SFCG.   So putting in that word “shall” in 
this CCSDS document is really meaningless. 
 
I would, therefore, recommend the second option which is to leave the 
sentence just stating:
 
a)                Therefore, adopters must ensure compatibility with ITU 
Radio Regulations and SFCG recommendations (references [33] and [42]).
 
If that is acceptable you have my full support.
 
Best regards, Peter
 
 
 
From: "Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int" <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>
Date: Monday, January 17, 2022 at 1:28 AM
To: Kevin K Gifford <kevin.gifford at colorado.edu>
Cc: Gilles Moury <Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, "Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int" 
<Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int>, Peter Shames 
<peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>, Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>, 
"sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org" <sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: Re: [Sls-rfm] Fw: [EXTERNAL] Fw: CCSDS-883-R-0 CESG Request for 
final review
 
Dear Kevin, 

after an in-depth discussion with Jean-Luc, both of us agree with the 
latest 883 version provided that a small change is entered, changing in 
section 3.2.1 bullet a  "should" into "shall" for the SFCG 
recommendations. This is because even if they are recommendations, an 
agency has to provide a valid waiver request in case of violations and the 
rest of SFCG must approve the request, and this may not be always 
successful. 

The current text reads: 

a)        Therefore, adopters must ensure compatibility with ITU Radio 
Regulations and should also comply with SFCG recommendations (references 
[33] and [42]). 

This simple change takes care of all other concerns by Jean-Luc. Another 
possibility (the Australian way) is to delete "should" so that the 
previous "must" applies. 

Ignacio shares our views too. 

Thanks again for your open dialogue, 

Regards, Enrico 




From:        "Kevin K Gifford" <kevin.gifford at colorado.edu> 
To:        "Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int" <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>, 
"Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int" <Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int> 
Cc:        "CCSDS Secretariat" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>, "Shames, 
Peter M (US 312B)" <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>, "Moury Gilles" 
<Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, "Edwards, Bernard L. (GSFC-5600" 
Date:        12/01/22 02:54 
Subject:        Re: [Sls-rfm] Fw: [EXTERNAL] Fw: CCSDS-883-R-0 CESG 
Request for final review 




Dear Enrico, Dear Ignacio - 

Thanks again for your inputs for CESG Final Review of CCSDS-883-0-R-0 
submitted on 15-Dec-2021. 

As the 10-Jan-2022 request for response has elapsed, I assume the 
dispositions are agreeable to all. 

I therefore propose that the CCSDS Secretariat move forward with CMC 
polling and publication. 

Please inform me, the CCSDS Secretariat, and the group on copy if any 
objections by Monday, 17-Jan-2022. 

Thanks again for the valued inputs. 

Kevin 


From: Kevin K Gifford <kevin.gifford at colorado.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2021 3:25 PM
To: Issler Jean-Luc <Jean-Luc.Issler at cnes.fr>; Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int 
<Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>; sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org 
<sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org>
Cc: Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int <Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int>; 
Lee, Dennis K (JPL-332G)[JPL Employee] <dennis.k.lee at jpl.nasa.gov>; 
wing-tsz.lee-1 at nasa.gov <wing-tsz.lee-1 at nasa.gov>; 
shannon.rodriguez-1 at nasa.gov <shannon.rodriguez-1 at nasa.gov>; 
victor.j.sank at nasa.gov <victor.j.sank at nasa.gov>; Edwards, Bernard L. 
(GSFC-5600 <bernard.l.edwards at nasa.gov>; jonathan.j.wilmot at nasa.gov 
<jonathan.j.wilmot at nasa.gov>; Ray Wagner <raymond.s.wagner at nasa.gov>; 
CCSDS Secretariat <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>; Shames, Peter M (US 312B) 
<peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>; Moury Gilles <Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>; Kevin 
K Gifford <kevin.gifford at colorado.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sls-rfm] Fw: [EXTERNAL] Fw: CCSDS-883-R-0 CESG Request for 
final review 
  
[Enrico: Please post on sls-rfm mailing list, thanks] 

Dear Enrico, Dear Jean-Luc - 

Thank you for your time and effort to provide SFCG and SLS-RFM review 
inputs to the SOIS-WIR CCSDS-883 document. 

The updated document is attached, and the changes incorporated into the 
document are easily reviewable/verifiable via MSWord Track Changes. 
-- All inputs, except the requested change below, from Enrico and Jean-Luc 
have been incorporated into the document verbatim, with some modifications 
solely for English grammar concerns. 

================================ 
The SOIS-WIR WG rejects the RID to add the below highlighted sentence in 
Paragraph-1 of Section 3.2.1 GENERAL: REQUIREMENTS 

3.2.1      GENERAL REQUIREMENTS 
This Recommended Standard does not provide any normative guidance in the 
frequency values of the permitted bands (in addition to the applicable 
SFCG PNT band to protect: 2483.5–2500 MHz) by the space systems using the 
wireless terrestrial standards covered in this book. Consequently, the 
following constraints on the frequency selection must be followed: 

The rationale of the SOIS-WIR WG is that there is no need, and it is 
confusing to make this explicit single phrase statement when the rest of 
the document references SFCG 32-2R3 which has this explicit restriction. 
Tables 3-1, 3-2 and 3-3 in the CCSDS-883 document have this constraint as 
well. 
================================ 

@Enrico, @Jean-Luc: Please review the attached document (easy to do with 
Track Changes) and let me know if there are any remaining concerns. Please 
have your comments to me by 10 January 2022 (sooner would be great ;-). 


If any questions, or if any discussion is needed, please let me know at 
your earliest convenience. 

Sincere thanks again for your time to review! 

Kevin 



From: Issler Jean-Luc <Jean-Luc.Issler at cnes.fr>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 9:07 AM
To: Kevin K Gifford <kevin.gifford at colorado.edu>; Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int 
<Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>; sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org 
<sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org>
Cc: Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int <Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int>; 
Lee, Dennis K (JPL-332G)[JPL Employee] <dennis.k.lee at jpl.nasa.gov>; 
wing-tsz.lee-1 at nasa.gov <wing-tsz.lee-1 at nasa.gov>; 
shannon.rodriguez-1 at nasa.gov <shannon.rodriguez-1 at nasa.gov>; 
victor.j.sank at nasa.gov <victor.j.sank at nasa.gov>; Edwards, Bernard L. 
(GSFC-5600 <bernard.l.edwards at nasa.gov>; jonathan.j.wilmot at nasa.gov 
<jonathan.j.wilmot at nasa.gov>; Ray Wagner <raymond.s.wagner at nasa.gov>; 
CCSDS Secretariat <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>; Shames, Peter M (US 312B) 
<peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>; Moury Gilles <Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>
Subject: RE: [Sls-rfm] Fw: [EXTERNAL] Fw: CCSDS-883-R-0 CESG Request for 
final review 
  
Dear Kevin, dear all,
 
To answer to your question bellow, my comments previously sent are (1) the 
official consensus CNES position, and (3) my comments as a member of 
SLS-RFM.
 
Please, find also attached here a combined version, including the comments 
made so far by RFM members and the RFM chairman having in mind SFCG 
concerns as SFCG chairman. The updates proposed in this combined version 
are supported by each of the RFM members having issued comments. Please 
consider from now this combined version instead of the previous separate 
versions. 
 
Very best regards
 
Jean-Luc
 
 
De : Kevin K Gifford <kevin.gifford at colorado.edu> 
Envoyé : mardi 14 décembre 2021 17:39
À : Issler Jean-Luc <Jean-Luc.Issler at cnes.fr>; Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int; 
sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org
Cc : Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int; Lee, Dennis K (JPL-332G)[JPL 
Employee] <dennis.k.lee at jpl.nasa.gov>; wing-tsz.lee-1 at nasa.gov; 
shannon.rodriguez-1 at nasa.gov; victor.j.sank at nasa.gov; Edwards, Bernard L. 
(GSFC-5600 <bernard.l.edwards at nasa.gov>; jonathan.j.wilmot at nasa.gov; Ray 
Wagner <raymond.s.wagner at nasa.gov>; CCSDS Secretariat 
<thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>; Shames, Peter M (US 312B) 
<peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>; Kevin K Gifford 
<kevin.gifford at colorado.edu>
Objet : Re: [Sls-rfm] Fw: [EXTERNAL] Fw: CCSDS-883-R-0 CESG Request for 
final review
 
Dear Jean-Luc - 
 
Thank you for your time to comment and provide inputs.
 
Please allow me to pose a clarification question: My understanding is that 
you are providing comments/inputs as a member of SLS-RFM, correct?  The 
reason I am inquiring is that in your comments below you are summarizing 
as "CNES comments" and I want to understand if your statement is:
(1) the official consensus CNES position, or, 
(2) the official SLS-RFM position, or 
(3) your assessment as a member of SLS-RFM? 
 
I assume your statements are as a member of the SLS-RFM WG, please correct 
me if I am mistaken...
 
Thanks.
 
Kevin
 

From: Issler Jean-Luc <Jean-Luc.Issler at cnes.fr>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 8:56 AM
To: Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>; 
sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org <sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org>; Kevin K Gifford <
kevin.gifford at colorado.edu>
Cc: Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int <Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int>; 
Lee, Dennis K (JPL-332G)[JPL Employee] <dennis.k.lee at jpl.nasa.gov>; 
wing-tsz.lee-1 at nasa.gov <wing-tsz.lee-1 at nasa.gov>; 
shannon.rodriguez-1 at nasa.gov <shannon.rodriguez-1 at nasa.gov>; 
victor.j.sank at nasa.gov <victor.j.sank at nasa.gov>; Edwards, Bernard L. 
(GSFC-5600 <bernard.l.edwards at nasa.gov>; jonathan.j.wilmot at nasa.gov <
jonathan.j.wilmot at nasa.gov>; Ray Wagner <raymond.s.wagner at nasa.gov>; CCSDS 
Secretariat <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>; Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <
peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject: RE: [Sls-rfm] Fw: [EXTERNAL] Fw: CCSDS-883-R-0 CESG Request for 
final review 
 
Dear all, 
 
Please find here my comments as a member of RFM WG:
 
First Major comments:
 
-          The informative and normative materials of 883 shall be less 
vague vis a vis protection of Radio Astronomy in the Shielded Zone of the 
Moon, in order the implementer to have the proper level of essential 
information and requirements without needing to read a pile of documents, 
without not be required to protect one band having an influence on RA 
protection, and without having to wait at least years an eventual possible 
futur CCSDS complementary and relevant RFM document. CCSDS rules actually 
allows this proper level to be part of 883 thanks to a few lines only*.
 
-          The informative and normative materials of 883 shall be less 
ambiguous on standardising, when using an current SFCG band for a wireless 
link, the need to not have wireless channels spectrally outside (even 
partly) the said SFCG wireless band. CCSDS rules actually allows to avoid 
such an ambiguity in a CCSDS standard. If not, 883 would put in danger 
adjacent SFCG lunar bands to be used for links different than wireless, 
and this would be not good*.
 
* Similar comments (detailed in track changes in the attached version) 
were already taken into account by the Wireless WG which submited by 
consensus a “CESG-approuval”  version of 883 to CESG. Then, 4 PIDS broke 
this consensus, and CNES + DLR members of the Wireless WG informed the 
Wireless WG members about the consensus having been broken (and it is 
still the case up till now). The declared disposition of a significant 
number of CNES RIDS in the frame of 883 agency review is actually no more 
valid up till now. The new comments made in the attached version however 
propose a new compromise, without removing the fundamental goals related 
to RA in the SZM and the protection of SFCG non-wireless bands. It was 
said about this 883 version submitted to RFM that it has to not adress 
some frequency issues (rather “forward work to the implementing engineer”
), but “MHz” appear 66 times (before CNES present comments) and “GHz” 82 
times (before CNES present comments) !! CNES think that these 148 
references to frequencies in the submited version are relevant in 883, as 
well as the very few aditional ones proposed by CNES to be re-introduced 
to recover the agreed consensus. Transfering most of these references into 
a future RFM document to be refered now in 883 as a future document, and 
to be published (eventually with the required solved ambiguities) in at 
least some years, would put more in danger Radio Astronomy in the SZM as 
well as some SFCG non-wireless bands. This would be not appropriate for 
CNES. CNES proposes the ambiguities to be removed now, as agreed by the 
Wireless WG which submited to CESG a 883 standard version without such 
ambiguities. 
 
Other comments:
 
-          The title of the 883 standard could be improved by coping more 
with the content of the standard: Wifi and 3GPP  (while there are also 
optical and UWB wireless links which could be standardized later on by 
CCSDS). Without puting “Wifi and 3GPP” (or Wifi and 3GPP LTE) in the 
title, it would be as if (for instance) the DVB-S2 CCSDS space telemetry 
standard would be named only “VCM” in its title !
 
-          The relative velocity (Doppler) between the  transmitter and 
the receiver is mentioned to be taken into account; but, the relative 
acceleration (Doppler slope) is not mentioned to be also taken into 
account, as it shall be.
 
Have a nice day; Very best regards
 
Jean-Luc
 
De : SLS-RFM <sls-rfm-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> De la part de 
Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int
Envoyé : lundi 6 décembre 2021 08:51
À : sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org
Objet : [Sls-rfm] Fw: [EXTERNAL] Fw: CCSDS-883-R-0 CESG Request for final 
review
 
For you consideration when submitting comments by Dec. 15. 

Regards, Enrico 

----- Forwarded by Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA on 06/12/21 08:50 ----- 

From:        "Wagner, Raymond S. (JSC-EV811)" <raymond.s.wagner at nasa.gov> 
To:        "Fong, Wai H. (GSFC-5670)" <wai.h.fong at nasa.gov>, "Kevin K 
Gifford" <kevin.gifford at colorado.edu>, "Shames, Peter M (JPL-312B)[JPL 
Employee]" <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov> 
Cc:        "Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int" <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>, 
"Rodriguez, Shannon (GSFC-5670)" <shannon.rodriguez-1 at nasa.gov>, "Lee, 
Wing-tsz (GSFC-5670)" <wing-tsz.lee-1 at nasa.gov>, "Lee, Dennis K 
(JPL-332G)[JPL Employee]" <dennis.k.lee at jpl.nasa.gov>, "Sank, Victor J. 
(GSFC-567.0)[SCIENCE SYSTEMS AND APPLICATIONS INC]" <
victor.j.sank at nasa.gov>, "Edwards, Bernard L. (GSFC-5600)" <
bernard.l.edwards at nasa.gov>, "Wilmot, Jonathan J. (GSFC-5800)" <
jonathan.j.wilmot at nasa.gov>, "Wagner, Raymond S. (JSC-EV811)" <
raymond.s.wagner at nasa.gov> 
Date:        03/12/21 23:07 
Subject:        RE: [EXTERNAL] [Sls-rfm] Fw: CCSDS-883-R-0 CESG Request 
for final review 

 
Hi, all.  After coordinating with GSFC management today, SOIS-WIR agrees 
to add the following statement to Sec. 1.3 Applicability of the copy of 
the document under review by SLS:
 
NOTE:  this book covers interoperability recommendations for Wi-Fi and 
3GPP architectures.  It does not address recommendations specific to 
deployments in unique mission environments.  It is forward work for the 
implementing engineer to address, on a case-by-case basis, issues such as 
band selection, antenna selection, antenna placement, antenna elevation, 
cell site planning, network loading, mission criticality, backhaul, etc. 
to provide desired coverage and service for a specific mission. 
 
This should disposition outstanding concerns and allow SLS to proceed with 
a review scoped to the “redlines” Kevin mentions below.   Kevin can follow 
up with a new document incorporating the above text, but the previous copy 
still serves to review the “redline” changes using change tracking as 
Kevin suggests below.
 
Thanks to all involved for identifying and resolving this issue today.
 
Ray
  
 
From: Fong, Wai H. (GSFC-5670) <wai.h.fong at nasa.gov> 
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 9:59 AM
To: Kevin K Gifford <kevin.gifford at colorado.edu>; Shames, Peter M 
(JPL-312B)[JPL Employee] <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int; Rodriguez, Shannon (GSFC-5670) <
shannon.rodriguez-1 at nasa.gov>; Lee, Wing-tsz (GSFC-5670) <
wing-tsz.lee-1 at nasa.gov>; Lee, Dennis K (JPL-332G)[JPL Employee] <
dennis.k.lee at jpl.nasa.gov>; Sank, Victor J. (GSFC-567.0)[SCIENCE SYSTEMS 
AND APPLICATIONS INC] <victor.j.sank at nasa.gov>; Wagner, Raymond S. 
(JSC-EV811) <raymond.s.wagner at nasa.gov>; Edwards, Bernard L. (GSFC-5600) <
bernard.l.edwards at nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [Sls-rfm] Fw: CCSDS-883-R-0 CESG Request for final 
review
 
Kevin,
 
One more thing, I thought from our SIG WG that you and Johnathan Wilmott 
agreed to notify of the first review.  I never got anything from either of 
you on that.
 
Regards,
 
 
Wai Fong, Ph.D.
Communications Engineer
Flight Microwave and Telecommunications Systems Branch
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Code 567
Greenbelt, MD  20771
 
 
 
 
From: Kevin K Gifford <kevin.gifford at colorado.edu>
Date: Friday, December 3, 2021 at 10:48 AM
To: "Fong, Wai H. (GSFC-5670)" <wai.h.fong at nasa.gov>, "Shames, Peter M 
(JPL-312B)[JPL Employee]" <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: Enrico Vassallo <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>, Shannon Rodriguez-sanabria 
<shannon.rodriguez-1 at nasa.gov>, WING-TSZ LEE <wing-tsz.lee-1 at nasa.gov>, 
"Lee, Dennis K (JPL-332G)[JPL Employee]" <dennis.k.lee at jpl.nasa.gov>, 
Victor Sank <victor.j.sank at nasa.gov>, "Wagner, Raymond S. (JSC-EV811)" <
raymond.s.wagner at nasa.gov>, "Edwards, Bernard L. (GSFC-5600)" <
bernard.l.edwards at nasa.gov>, Kevin K Gifford <kevin.gifford at colorado.edu>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [Sls-rfm] Fw: CCSDS-883-R-0 CESG Request for final 
review
 
Wai - 
 
Thank you for the reply, as I stated previously, the document has already 
gone through Agency Review-01 and CESG review so this is not an entire 
document review request.
Kevin

From: Fong, Wai H. (GSFC-5670) <wai.h.fong at nasa.gov>
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 8:41 AM
To: Kevin K Gifford <kevin.gifford at colorado.edu>; Shames, Peter M 
(JPL-312B)[JPL Employee] <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>; Rodriguez, Shannon 
(GSFC-5670) <shannon.rodriguez-1 at nasa.gov>; Lee, Wing-tsz (GSFC-5670) <
wing-tsz.lee-1 at nasa.gov>; Lee, Dennis K (JPL-332G)[JPL Employee] <
dennis.k.lee at jpl.nasa.gov>; Sank, Victor J. (GSFC-567.0)[SCIENCE SYSTEMS 
AND APPLICATIONS INC] <victor.j.sank at nasa.gov>; Wagner, Raymond S. 
(JSC-EV811) <raymond.s.wagner at nasa.gov>; Edwards, Bernard L. (GSFC-5600) <
bernard.l.edwards at nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [Sls-rfm] Fw: CCSDS-883-R-0 CESG Request for final 
review 
 
Kevin,
 
I’m only checking emails and the document’s over 100 pages long. 30 
minutes would not be enough to even make sure the references were right. 
Also, because of our center’s continuing problems with announcements for 
documents to be reviewed, we were never notified that that the first 
review ever took place.  So, if you want a thorough review from me, you 
have to give me the opportunity to do it.
 
Regards,
 
 
Wai Fong, Ph.D.
Communications Engineer
Flight Microwave and Telecommunications Systems Branch
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Code 567
Greenbelt, MD  20771
 
 
 
 
From: Kevin K Gifford <kevin.gifford at colorado.edu>
Date: Friday, December 3, 2021 at 10:36 AM
To: "Fong, Wai H. (GSFC-5670)" <wai.h.fong at nasa.gov>, "Shames, Peter M 
(JPL-312B)[JPL Employee]" <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: Enrico Vassallo <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>, Shannon Rodriguez-sanabria 
<shannon.rodriguez-1 at nasa.gov>, WING-TSZ LEE <wing-tsz.lee-1 at nasa.gov>, 
"Lee, Dennis K (JPL-332G)[JPL Employee]" <dennis.k.lee at jpl.nasa.gov>, 
Victor Sank <victor.j.sank at nasa.gov>, Kevin K Gifford <
kevin.gifford at colorado.edu>, "Wagner, Raymond S. (JSC-EV811)" <
raymond.s.wagner at nasa.gov>, "Edwards, Bernard L. (GSFC-5600)" <
bernard.l.edwards at nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [Sls-rfm] Fw: CCSDS-883-R-0 CESG Request for final 
review
 
Hi Wai - 
 
I would like to get the document published ASAP.   The document has 
already gone through Agency Review-01 and CESG review so this is not an 
entire document review request.
 
Can you take 30 minutes and review the updates please? 
 
Thanks.
 
Kevin
 
 

From: Fong, Wai H. (GSFC-5670) <wai.h.fong at nasa.gov>
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 8:29 AM
To: Kevin K Gifford <kevin.gifford at colorado.edu>; Shames, Peter M 
(JPL-312B)[JPL Employee] <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>; Rodriguez, Shannon 
(GSFC-5670) <shannon.rodriguez-1 at nasa.gov>; Lee, Wing-tsz (GSFC-5670) <
wing-tsz.lee-1 at nasa.gov>; Lee, Dennis K (JPL-332G)[JPL Employee] <
dennis.k.lee at jpl.nasa.gov>; Sank, Victor J. (GSFC-567.0)[SCIENCE SYSTEMS 
AND APPLICATIONS INC] <victor.j.sank at nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [Sls-rfm] Fw: CCSDS-883-R-0 CESG Request for final 
review 
 
Kevin, Peter;
 
I’m on vacation this month but I would like to give this a proper review. 
Can you delay the review deadline until mid or late January?
 
Regards,
 
Wai Fong, Ph.D.
Communications Engineer
Flight Microwave and Telecommunications Systems Branch
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Code 567
Greenbelt, MD  20771
 
 
 
 
From: SLS-RFM <sls-rfm-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Enrico 
Vassallo <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>
Date: Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 2:10 PM
To: "sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org" <sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org>
Cc: Kevin K Gifford <kevin.gifford at colorado.edu>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Sls-rfm] Fw: CCSDS-883-R-0 CESG Request for final 
review
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Resent-Date: Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 2:06 PM
 
Since Kevin is not a member of RFM WG, his emails are not forwarded by the 
RFM mailing list server. 

Please review the attached document and let me have your comments by Dec 
15 latest. 

Regards, Enrico 
----- Forwarded by Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA on 02/12/21 17:25 ----- 

From:        "Kevin K Gifford" <kevin.gifford at colorado.edu> 
To:        "Jonathan Wilmot" <jonathan.j.wilmot at nasa.gov>, "
Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int" <Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int>, "
dennis.k.lee at jpl.nasa.gov" <dennis.k.lee at jpl.nasa.gov>, "
Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int" <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>, "
sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org" <sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org> 
Cc:        "Shames, Peter M (US 312B)" <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>, "Ray 
Wagner" <raymond.s.wagner at nasa.gov>, "CCSDS Secretariat" <
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>, "Kevin K Gifford" <
kevin.gifford at colorado.edu> 
Date:        02/12/21 16:51 
Subject:        CCSDS-883-R-0 CESG Request for final review 




Dear Jonathan, Ignacio, Dennis, Enrico, SLS-RFM - 

I have worked with Dr. Peter Shames to update CCSDS-883-0-R-0 to ensure 
SLS concerns are properly addressed per the CESG. 

The attached CCSDS-883-0-R-0 document is a result of Peter and I's efforts 
to assuage any remaining concerns. 

I am requesting that SLS reviews the updates to the document for consensus 
purposes. 
-- All updates are tracked via "Track Changes" 
-- A suggestion is to simply click "Next Change" to see the updates 
-- The primary updates (sans editorial nits) are on pages 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 
2-5, 3-1 and 3-2 

@Jonathan: Please review and provide your acceptance or any remaining 
concerns at your earliest convenience. 

@Igancio: Can you and SLS-RFM please review and provide your acceptance or 
any remaining concerns at your earliest convenience. 

I believe that the review will take minimal time as Peter and I worked to 
ensure the updates would resolve SLS concerns expressed to the CESG. 

Please let me know if any questions. 

Thanks to all! 

Kevin 
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