[SLS] Fw: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE Project for “SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice (Magenta Book)
Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int
Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int
Thu Dec 6 11:05:52 UTC 2018
Dear All,
sorry for bothering you, however here is an updated resolution
with a small change in the concept paper.
The updated resolution is in CWE where the older version has been removed.
Regards
Gian Paolo
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From: Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int
To: Brian Oliver <brian.oliver at nasa.gov>, "Shames, Peter M (312B)"
<Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov>, CCSDS CESG -- <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Cc: Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
Date: 06-12-18 12:03
Subject: Re: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE
Project for “SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice
(Magenta Book)
Sent by: "CESG" <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org>
Dear Brian,
since you did not start the poll, I kindly ask you to start the
CMC Poll based on the attached documents where the Concept Paper has been
modified to version 1.1.
Thank you for a fast reaction.
Dear Peter,
I updated the concept paper section 5. Relationship to existing
standards.
I am sure you will be able (directly or indirectly) to follow the work
that will follow up and therefore I do not think we need at the moment
further discussion on this matter
Dear CESGers,
From the procedural point of view I shall clarify the following.
I am fully aware of the following rule (just recalled by Erik)
5.5.2.1.3 Projects shall be subject to approval by the AD and
authorization by the CMC via polling.
Consequently I also know that there is no requirement neither for a CESG
approval nor for Peter's approval of this SLS Resolution.
Following the CESG agreement of some years ago, I addressed the
resolution to Secretariat (i.e. Brian) asking for CMC Poll but copying
CESG for information; i.e. I did not request a CESG approval.
I consider the interaction with Peter something that may be injected in
the WG work apart from the project approval process (i.e. even after
project approval), however in this case I made myself available to add
something to the concept paper because
1) the CMC Poll has not started yet, and
2) actually it only adds explicitly an activity that SLS planned anyway
(i.e. reporting to SANA)
My perception is that, as I was not asking Peter's approval, Peter was not
denying approval through his comments.
All this just in case anybody had a different perception.
Sorry for not keeping this mail as short as it could have been and Best
regards
Gian Paolo
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Attachments
1) Stand-alone Resolution (unmodified)
2) Stand-alone Concept paper (updated to v1.1)
3) Combined file with Resolution and Concept Paper (updated to v1.1 for
the concept paper part)
From: "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
To: "Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int" <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Cc: Brian Oliver <brian.oliver at nasa.gov>, CCSDS CESG --
<cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>, Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
Date: 05-12-18 22:30
Subject: Re: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE
Project for “SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice
(Magenta Book)
Gippo,
Yes. Thanks. That is exactly what I had in mind.
Peter
From: Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Date: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 12:21 PM
To: Peter Shames <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: Brian Oliver <brian.oliver at nasa.gov>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group
- CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>, Tom Gannett
<thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
Subject: Re: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE Project for
“SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice (Magenta Book)
Peter
Do you mean updating the concept paper with this intent?
If yes, I can do that tomorrow.
Regards
Gippo
On: 05 December 2018 17:13, "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <
Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
Hi Gippo,
Ok. I'll make a request of the SANA that we create a means of marking
Glossary entries as "obsolete" or "deprecated". That will be reviewed
with the SANA Steering Group.
I would just ask that you identify your intent to deal these issues in
that project statement, otherwise it looks unfinished.
Thanks, Peter
From: Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Date: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 2:53 AM
To: Peter Shames <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: Brian Oliver <brian.oliver at nasa.gov>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group
- CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>, Tom Gannett <
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
Subject: Re: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE Project for
“SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice (Magenta Book)
Peter,
the ultimate objective is to reduce the definitions in SANA and the
intention is to "coordinate with / report to" SANA to accomplish this
goal.
It may however happen that not all books are updated at the same time as
this would require a very big effort not currently available.
We cannot therefore exclude that for a while SANA ma report the definition
from the new Magenta book together with the older definitions in (some of)
the other books.
If there is a way for marking some definitions e.g. "obsolete" this will
be used as appropriate.
I think at this stage it is important that we all in SLS are aware of the
need of coordinating with SANA and we will do that defining details at the
right point in time.
Regards
Gian Paolo
From: "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
To: "Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int" <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Cc: Brian Oliver <brian.oliver at nasa.gov>, CCSDS CESG -- <
cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>, Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
Date: 04-12-18 19:29
Subject: Re: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE
Project for “SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice
(Magenta Book)
Hi Gippo,
Thanks. This addresses the second item, but it does not appear to address
the first item at all. In the worst case this effort could actually
result in adding even more distinct definitions to the SANA Glossary,
which, I hope you will agree, moves us in the wrong direction. I think
your team needs to address how you propose to handle this. Will the final
new agreed definitions all be marked as "preliminary", or will they be
marked as "official"? Or will you propose that the obsoleted definitions
be marked as "obsolete" and left until the docs that created them are
updated?
Treating old definitions as "obsolete" or "deprecated" is the moral
equivalent of how we treat Silver Books, they are not found in the main
search paths, but you can still find them. I think you need to identify
some way to handle this and review it with the SSG and the SNA.
Thanks, Peter
From: Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Date: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 7:01 AM
To: Peter Shames <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: Brian Oliver <brian.oliver at nasa.gov>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group
- CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>, Tom Gannett <
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
Subject: Re: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE Project for
“SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice (Magenta Book)
Dear Peter,
the proposal and the concept paper are limited to the work to be
done on that book.
However the items you mention are not neglected as already in Berlin the
SLS Area agreed to look into this issues deferring however the
implementation "as appropriate" to the point in time the other documents
can be edited.
This is not meaning that we do nothing in the meanwhile. Actually e-mail
discussion were already triggered and there was also a presentation (and
discussion) in the SLP WG about the "Glossary Issue for SLS-SLP Global
Virtual Channel Identifier (GVCID)".
Clearly during the work duplications and discrepant definitions will have
to be identified to do the work.
Once an agreement is reached for the definition to go into the new magenta
book, the CCSDS Editor will be informed to collect the changes for other
books (to be done when possible) and SANA will be informed accordingly.
I hope this clarifies your doubts and Brian can proceed with the CMC Poll.
Regards
Gippo
From: "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
To: "Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int" <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>,
"Brian Oliver" <brian.oliver at nasa.gov>
Cc: Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>, CCSDS CESG -- <
cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Date: 03-12-18 17:19
Subject: Re: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE
Project for “SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice
(Magenta Book)
Hi Gippo,
From the SEA and SANA points of view I am really glad to see that you are
tackling this topic. If it is done right it will surely be a net benefit
to all.
Along the lines of "if it is done right", what I did not see in this
proposal is any work relating to these two topics:
a. Removing duplicate definitions from the SANA Glossary so that we
just have one official set
b. A plan to normalize the definitions in all the published
standards so that we really have only one set of terms in use across the
CCSDS standards and the SANA
It's not clear that either of these "clean up" tasks are part of the
proposal. Are they?
Thanks, Peter
From: CESG <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Gian Paolo
Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Date: Monday, December 3, 2018 at 1:57 AM
To: Brian Oliver <brian.oliver at nasa.gov>
Cc: Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>, CCSDS Engineering Steering
Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE Project for “SLS
Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice (Magenta Book)
Dear Brian,
can you please start at your earliest convenience the related CMC Poll
for the attached SLS Resolution?
CESG is copied for information
Best regards to you all
Gian Paolo
PS Relevant Concept Paper is also attached as a stand alone document and
embedded in the resolution.
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