From greg.j.kazz at jpl.nasa.gov Mon Jul 1 18:12:32 2013 From: greg.j.kazz at jpl.nasa.gov (Kazz, Greg J (313B)) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 18:12:32 +0000 Subject: [Sls-slp] Re: [Sls-sea-dls] Re: Comments on lastest draft version of TC and AOS Space Data Link Protocols with SDLS In-Reply-To: <442F062EBF46F247A96B8A50EF3EB6F4153B990C@TW-MBX-P04.cnesnet.ad.cnes.fr> Message-ID: Dear Gilles, I concur with your editorial comments and I have made these changes. Please see the following three files in a new SLS WG directory on the CWE below: http://tinyurl.com/mcmevgr All three files have the date "July01" in the file name. Best regards, Greg CCSDS SLP WG Chairman ------------------------------------------------------ Greg Kazz EEISE Group Supervisor Systems Engineering Section (Section 313) Jet Propulsion Laboratory 4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena CA 91109 MS 301-490 (818) 393-6529 (office) ------------------------------------------------------ On 6/28/13 10:41 AM, "Moury Gilles" wrote: >Dear Greg, > >I have a few editorial comments to those 3 books. I hope it is still >possible to integrate them : > >TM space Data Link Protocol : > >2.1.2.2 : in the NOTE, we should remove "Security" in "TM Space Data Link >Security Protocol" otherwise the NOTE does not make sense > >3.3.2.6 : I recommend changing the title of the section from "Status >Code" to "Verification Status Code" for consistency with [8] > >6.3.1 : I recommend replacing "TM" by "TM Space Data Link Protocol" (2 >instances) because "TM" alone is quite ambiguous > > >AOS Space Data Link Protocol : > >2.1.2.2 : in the NOTE, remove "Security" in "AOS Space Data Link Security >Protocol" > >3.4.2.5 : change title to "Verification Status Code" for consistency with >[8] > >6.3.1 : replace "AOS" by "AOS Space Data Link Protocol" because "AOS" >alone is ambiguous > > >TC Space Data Link Protocol : > >2.1.2.3 : replace "...that apply to an TC Space Data Link Security >Protocol ..." by "...that apply to a TC Space Data Link Protocol ..." > >================ end of editorial comments ========= > > >We in SDLS WG have to perform a final check on the last version of SDLS >red book (i.e. the red-3 version that we redlined during our april >meeting) so we can initiate the agency review simultaneously with the SLP >books. I will circulate this redlined version to the SDLS WG for final >validation and further transmission to Tom Gannett for agency review in >the same package as SLP books. > >Best regards, > >Gilles > >Gilles MOURY >CNES Toulouse >-----Message d'origine----- >De : sls-sea-dls-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org >[mailto:sls-sea-dls-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] De la part de Kazz, Greg J >(313B) >Envoyé : mercredi 26 juin 2013 21:01 >À : Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int; sls-slp at mailman.ccsds.org; CCSDS >Rapporteur >Cc : sls-sea-dls at mailman.ccsds.org; marjorie at delandelong.com >Objet : [Sls-sea-dls] Re: Comments on lastest draft version of TC and AOS >Space Data Link Protocols with SDLS > >Dear SLP and SDLS WGS: > >I have accepted the comments below from Ignacio and Marjorie and have made >the changes to TM, TC, and AOS Space Data Link Protocols. > >The final versions (file names all ending in "final3") are now on the SLP >CWE under this tiny URL: > >http://tinyurl.com/qdgws7m > >At this point, based upon the agreement both SLP and SDSL WG have, I >recommend that the CCSDS Secretariat take these files and compose Pink >Sheets for Agency Review to occur before the Fall 2013 in San Antonio, TX, >USA. > >The files with the history of changes (red lines) can be found in this CWE >directory with file names ending in ("with edits" or "with comments"): > >http://tinyurl.com/qe92pv5 > > >Best regards, > >Greg >Chairman SLS-SLP WG > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Greg Kazz >EEISE Group Supervisor >Systems Engineering Section (Section 313) >Jet Propulsion Laboratory >4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena CA 91109 >MS 301-490 >(818) 393-6529 (office) > >------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > >On 6/26/13 5:52 AM, "Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int" > wrote: > >>Dear Greg, >> >>Please forward this e-mail to SLP distribution list. >> >>Finally I have had a chance to look at the 6 files you posted in CWE (see >>below). >> >>Marjorie had already look at them and identified the following minor >>editorial to which I concur. I quote her input: >> >>"My only comment is on the TC draft (with filename ending "Final2.doc"), >>and it concerns the Note at the end of section 6.4.2. The Note describes >>the checks performed by the All Frames Reception Function. >> >>The last two sentences of the Note say: >>"It is recommended that a frame that fails any of these checks is >>discarded. In particular, processing of frames failing verification is >>implementation specific and depends also on the processing capabilities >>of the service user for eventual forensic investigation." >> >>These two sentences should be replaced by a single sentence saying: >>"A frame that fails any of these checks is discarded." >> >>- Discarding a failed frame is the behaviour specified for the check >>procedures inside the All Frames Reception Function. So it is not just >>"recommended". >> >>- The Note is not about the frame verification (i.e. SDLS checks of the >>frame). So the sentence about "frames failing verification" is not >>appropriate in this Note. (And the paragraph immediately before the Note >>describes what happens when SDLS detects an error in a frame.) >> >>I know we (and Greg) dealt with a similar note in the AOS book, but this >>one still needs changing!" >> >>In addition I have found a minor editorial inconsistency on the way >>reference >>[8], which is the future SDLS Blue Book, is written down in TC, TM and >>AOS. >>In TM and AOS it says "November 2012". In TC it says "To be issued". >>I think the latter is the correct approach (not sure we can refer to Red >>Books instead!) but Tom should confirm. >> >>Kind regards, >> >>Ignacio & Marjorie >> >> >>|------------> >>| From: | >>|------------> >> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>- >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>- >>>----| >> |"Kazz, Greg J (313B)" >> >> | >> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>- >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>- >>>----| >>|------------> >>| To: | >>|------------> >> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>- >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>- >>>----| >> |"Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int" >> >> | >> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>- >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>- >>>----| >>|------------> >>| Cc: | >>|------------> >> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>- >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>- >>>----| >> |"sls-sea-dls at mailman.ccsds.org" , >>"marjorie at delandelong.com" , >>"sls-slp at mailman.ccsds.org" | >> | >> >> | >> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>- >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>- >>>----| >>|------------> >>| Date: | >>|------------> >> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>- >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>- >>>----| >> |10/06/2013 23:56 >> >> | >> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>- >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>- >>>----| >>|------------> >>| Subject: | >>|------------> >> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>- >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>- >>>----| >> |Re: Comments on lastest draft version of TC and AOS Space Data Link >>Protocols with SDLS >> | >> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>- >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>- >>>----| >> >> >> >> >> >>Dear Ignacio, >> >>Thanks for your and Marjorie's comments on the AOS Space Data Link >>Protocol concerning SDLS. I agreed with your comments and I have accepted >>them into the document. I have also resolved the open issues that >>Marjorie >>pointed out concerning the equivalent for the term, FDU in AOS as well as >>referencing the correct procedures in AOS. >> >>I invite everyone to take a look at the following documents that I have >>posted today to the CWE under the SLP WG. >> >>http://tiny.cc/zfbhyw >> >>This directory now contains 6 files. For each TM, AOS, TC there is a file >>with both the review comments and red lines turned on. There is also a >>so-called "final" or clean file for each of them, without any remarks, >>with comments accepted. >> >>I have updated TM based upon the agreed to updates and comments for AOS >>and checked the section reference numbers for correctness, since TM and >>AOS contain to some extent different services. >> >>I request that both SLP and SDLS review these documents by June 26, so >>that I can send the to Tom Gannett in order for him to produce pink >>sheets >>for agency review in time before the Fall 2013 meeting. >> >>Best regards, >> >>Greg >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Greg Kazz >>EEISE Group Supervisor >>Systems Engineering Section (Section 313) >>Jet Propulsion Laboratory >>4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena CA 91109 >>MS 301-490 >>(818) 393-6529 (office) >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >>On 6/4/13 11:07 PM, "Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int" >> wrote: >> >>>Dear Greg, >>> >>>Please forward this e-mail as well to the SLP distribution list. >>> >>>Following previous response to your e-mail below, Marjorie and I have >>>both >>>reviewed and discussed our findings on the AOS update. >>>Please find enclosed our amendments. >>> >>>Kind regards, >>> >>>Ignacio >>> >>> >>> >>>(See attached file: AOS Space Data Link >>>Protocol_732x0p21_June04_2013M2.docx) >>> >>> >>>|------------> >>>| From: | >>>|------------> >>> >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>- >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>- >>>>----| >>> |"Kazz, Greg J (313B)" >>> >>> | >>> >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>- >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>- >>>>----| >>>|------------> >>>| To: | >>>|------------> >>> >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>- >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>- >>>>----| >>> |"sls-slp at mailman.ccsds.org" , >>>"Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int" >>> | >>> >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>- >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>- >>>>----| >>>|------------> >>>| Cc: | >>>|------------> >>> >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>- >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>- >>>>----| >>> |"sls-sea-dls at mailman.ccsds.org" >>> >>> | >>> >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>- >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>- >>>>----| >>>|------------> >>>| Date: | >>>|------------> >>> >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>- >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>- >>>>----| >>> |21/05/2013 01:42 >>> >>> | >>> >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>- >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>- >>>>----| >>>|------------> >>>| Subject: | >>>|------------> >>> >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>- >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>- >>>>----| >>> |Comments on lastest draft version of TC and AOS Space Data Link >>>Protocols with SDLS >>> | >>> >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>- >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>- >>>>----| >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Dear All, >>> >>>I have responded to the edits and comments of both Marjorie and Ignazio >>>based >>>upon their latest edits to the TC Space Data Link Protocol with SDLS. >>> >>>Please see the following URL that contains proposed changes to both TC >>>and >>>AOS. (TM will follow essentially the same types of changes as AOS, so >>>after >>>we have consensus, I will modify TM.) >>> >>>http://tinyurl.com/mo6m5sl >>> >>> >>>Your Figure 6-c Marjorie in the TC book is quite innovative. You have >>>also >>>clearly identified all the processes and functions involved in the TC >>>SDLS >>>case. Under the Notes in Section 6.3.7, I had to change the reference to >>>6.3.2 since the order of processing for SDLS does not follow Section >>>4.3.5 >>>(which was correctly called out in the text of 6.3.2). >>> >>>I decided not to include any figure such as 6c in the AOS book, simply >>>because the COP-1 is not an issue for AOS and we are only dealing with >>>the >>>order of processing of the AOS functions and SDLS, which I believe is >>>handled >>>easily with text. I added a section "Error Reporting" to discuss the >>>verification issues in lieu of the order of processing discussion in TC. >>> >>>For both documents in Section 6.4.2, I softened the text to say that the >>>Virtual Channel Reception Fct will not deliver (in lieu of discard ) the >>>frame if SDLS reports an error. In my mind, I want to prohibit the >>>function >>>from delivering the frame to the user, but not prohibit the capability >>>for >>>future forensic analysis by a select group of analysts. I think this >>>best >>>adresses Ignazio's concerns and questions. (Change also added to AOS). >>> >>>Please let me know if the text for both TC and AOS is now consistent and >>>acceptable. If so, I will procede to make the changes to TM as well. >>> >>>Best regards, >>> >>>Greg >>>Chairman SLS-SLP WG >>>------------------------------------------------------ >>>Greg Kazz >>>EEISE Group Supervisor >>>Systems Engineering Section (Section 313) >>>Jet Propulsion Laboratory >>>4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena CA 91109 >>>MS 301-490 >>>(818) 393-6529 (office) >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the >>>addressee or addressees only. The unauthorised disclosure, use, >>>dissemination or copying (either in whole or in part) of its content is >>>not permitted. If you received this message in error, please notify the >>>sender and delete it from your system. 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