From greg.j.kazz at jpl.nasa.gov Tue Oct 11 17:14:29 2011 From: greg.j.kazz at jpl.nasa.gov (Kazz, Greg J (313B)) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:14:29 -0700 Subject: [Sls-slp] NASA comments on Prox-1 Data Link Blue Book in 5-year review Message-ID: Dear SLS-SLP WG, I have placed the NASA comments on the Prox-1 Data Link Layer Blue book currently undergoing the CCSDS 5-year review on the SLP CWE under the following URL: http://tinyurl.com/3n9qx9r The file has the date Oct 5 in the filename. These comments are "redlines" to the document along with notes to provide the rationale for change. We will discuss these proposed changes at the SLP WG meeting in Boulder on Nov. 1, 2010. Any comments you have ahead of time are of course welcome! Best regards, Greg Kazz Chairman SLS-SLP WG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greg.j.kazz at jpl.nasa.gov Wed Oct 12 16:02:55 2011 From: greg.j.kazz at jpl.nasa.gov (Kazz, Greg J (313B)) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:02:55 -0700 Subject: [Sls-slp] FW: [SLS-CC] Proximity-1 Review (version without LDPCC) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear SLS-SLP WG members, Please find the current set of Prox-1 documents undergoing the 5-year review at the URL listed below. Best regards, Greg Kazz Chairman SLS-SLP WG From: "Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int" > Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 03:26:28 -0700 To: Space Link Coding & Synchronization Working Group > Cc: "Kazz, Greg J (313B)" >, "Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int" > Subject: [SLS-CC] Proximity-1 Review (version without LDPCC) Dear All, the books mentioned below are available in CWE at at http://tiny.cc/201110 (*) in a dedicate folder named "Proximity-1.docs". The 3 books address the 5 years review (i.e. no LDPC Codes addition). A dedicated version with the addition of LDPC Codes will be provided soon. Best regards Gian Paolo Calzolari (*) i.e. the CWE Folder named: The CCSDS Collaborative Work Environment (CWE) > Space Link Services Area (SLS) > Documents > SLS-CandS > Meeting Materials > 2011 > 201110.Boulder ----- Forwarded by Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA on 12-10-11 12:14 ----- From: Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int Date: 06-10-11 16:38 Subject: SLS-RFM_11-19, 20 and 21 input papers ________________________________ Dear All, please find attached the proposed revision to the Proximity-1 Physical Layer, Coding and Synch Sublayer and Data Link Layers Blue Books. The main interest of the RFM WG with respect to the last two books is to make sure that they are consistent with the first one. The revision marks take into account the results of an independent review done within ESA of the books revised per ESA/NASA/UKSA agreement and cleaned-up prior to the internal review. It is likely that also NASA may present some change requests. It is my intention to discuss them first at the RFM WG and then at the joint meeting with SLP and C&S WGs. Best Regards, Enrico [attachment "SLS-RFM_11-19 (Proximity_Physical_Layer revision).doc" deleted by Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA] [attachment "SLS-RFM_11-21 (Proximity_Data_Link_Layer revision).doc" deleted by Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA] [attachment "SLS-RFM_11-20 (Proximity_CandS_Sublayer revision).doc" deleted by Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greg.j.kazz at jpl.nasa.gov Wed Oct 12 16:42:58 2011 From: greg.j.kazz at jpl.nasa.gov (Kazz, Greg J (313B)) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:42:58 -0700 Subject: [Sls-slp] Latest sets of Prox-1 Data Link Layer Review Comments Message-ID: Dear SLP WG member, To be clear, there are now two sets of review comments now out on the CWE concerning the Prox-1 Data Link Layer specification: 1. NASA's lastest proposed corrections/comments are in: http://tinyurl.com/3n9qx9r File name contains the date: Oct 5 2011 2. ESA's lastest proposed corrections/comments are in: http://tiny.cc/201110 (*) in a dedicate folder named "Proximity-1.docs". Both need to be reviewed by you in order to come prepared for the meeting in Boulder on Nov. 1, 2011. Best regards, Greg Kazz Chairman SLS-SLP WG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greg.j.kazz at jpl.nasa.gov Wed Oct 19 16:59:00 2011 From: greg.j.kazz at jpl.nasa.gov (Kazz, Greg J (313B)) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:59:00 -0700 Subject: [Sls-slp] Materials for SLS-NGU morning meeting on CWE now Message-ID: Dear NGU Please go to the following URL to find the first two presentations for the Monday morning session of NGU (Oct 31, 2011 in Boulder, CO). The third will be added shortly. http://tinyurl.com/3ovte64 The agenda for the Morning is: 1 Proposal for new Telecommand Protocol to replace TC – i.e., TC-2 1 Ed Greenberg/Greg Kazz NASA – AM Topic 2 Reliability aspect associated with the Next Generation Uplink Protocol 1/2 Scott Burleigh NASA – AM Topic 3 Short Non-Binary Turbo Codes based on Memory-1 Recursive Convolutional Codes 1/2 Tomaso de Cola – DLR Best regards, Greg Kazz Chairman SLS-NGU WG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From greg.j.kazz at jpl.nasa.gov Sat Oct 22 03:43:26 2011 From: greg.j.kazz at jpl.nasa.gov (Kazz, Greg J (313B)) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:43:26 -0700 Subject: [Sls-slp] FW: [SLS] REMEMBER THAT CCSDS Registration for the meetings will close 1 week prior to the actual meetings. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear WG members, See the notification below. Thanks, Greg Kazz Chairman SLS-SLP, SLS-NGU, SIS-IPO From: "Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int" > Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:58:32 -0700 To: SLS - Space Link Services Area > Subject: [SLS] REMEMBER THAT CCSDS Registration for the meetings will close 1 week prior to the actual meetings. Dear All, Please consider sending a reminder to your group. I look forward to seeing you in Boulder Gian Paolo ----- Forwarded by Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA on 21-10-11 09:57 ----- From: Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA To: "Space Link Coding & Synchronization Working Group" > Date: 21-10-11 09:57 Subject: [SLS-CC] REMEMBER THAT CCSDS Registration for the meetings will close 1 week prior to the actual meetings. ________________________________ Deal All, If you did not register yet for the Boulder meetings, please do it as soon as possible at http://public.ccsds.org/meetings/2011Fall/2011FallReg.aspx Regards Gian Paolo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001.txt URL: From MCOSBY at qinetiq.com Wed Oct 26 09:41:34 2011 From: MCOSBY at qinetiq.com (Cosby Matthew) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:41:34 +0100 Subject: UC [Sls-slp] Updated Prox-1 Data Link Layer book Now Available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greg, Sorry for the delay... I have now added a new document to the CWE ( http://tinyurl.com/3n9qx9r - same link as below) that contains the comments from UKSA on the P1 Data Link Layer. This has been done from the ExoMars lander point of view. I have also added the document that has the proposed changes to the hail for Set V(R) - which was presented in Berlin. Matt. Matthew Cosby Communications Engineering, Space Manpower Tel: 01252 396313 email: mcosby at QinetiQ.com www.QinetiQ.com QinetiQ - Delivering customer-focused solutions Please consider the environment before printing this email. ________________________________ From: sls-slp-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:sls-slp-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Kazz, Greg J (313B) Sent: 19 October 2011 19:50 To: sls-slp at mailman.ccsds.org Cc: Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int; Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int Subject: [Sls-slp] Updated Prox-1 Data Link Layer book Now Available Dear SLS-SLP members, Please find a new draft review version of the Prox-1 Data Link Layer recommendation in: (filename: Prox1 Data Link Oct 14 2011 includes ESA) http://tinyurl.com/3n9qx9r There are a few ESA comments that are pending resolution. You can find these and NASA comments concerning them in the same URL with filename: Comments to ESA on DLL Oct 18 Best regards, Greg Kazz Chairman SLS-SLP WG This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. QinetiQ may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security. QinetiQ Limited (Registered in England & Wales: Company Number: 3796233) Registered office: Cody Technology Park, Ively Road, Farnborough, Hampshire, GU14 0LX http://www.qinetiq.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int Wed Oct 26 10:07:58 2011 From: Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int (Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:07:58 +0200 Subject: UC [Sls-slp] Updated Prox-1 Data Link Layer book Now Available In-Reply-To: <20111026094141.ABE835F87DF@esa-sf1.esa.gmessaging.net> References: <20111026094141.ABE835F87DF@esa-sf1.esa.gmessaging.net> Message-ID: Matt, thanks for your inputs. Note that the deadline for input papers expired one week ago. Additionally, we have an internal ESA problem since the EXOMARS team did not deliver any request for changes to us. I propose the following way forward: 1) With priority one we discuss in Boulder the changes necessary to align the 3 books for a mission starting today so that we eliminate the many inconsistencies we found. This can be done by looking at the inputs delivered in time for the meeting. 3 clean and correct books can be delivered at the end of the meeting. 2) With a view to integrating comments requesting additional capabilities (inputs from you and Greg, delivered late), we could dedicate the time that remains from activity 1and maybe generate a new set of drafts that should remain in the WG. By the next meeting, we can work out the internal ESA problems and check that EXOMARS is approved as we know it today (if the Russians come on board by next January, we may need to add additional non CCSDS standard modes......) Given that the new features in 2 require independent verification as for CCSDS rules, I would recommend that we go ahead with agency review of the documents resulting from 1. In two years from now, we may be able to submit the documents initiated in 2 for an add-on review. There are too many problems with the current books to delay delivering corrected versions. One idea would be not to do an agency review but to call this delivery a corrigendum. In this case, we can have only one agency review once the new capabilities have been properly added and verified. Let's discuss it in Boulder so as to avoid too many emails ..... Regards, Enrico From: "Cosby Matthew" To: Cc: , , "Kazz, Greg J \(313B\)" Date: 26/10/2011 11:41 Subject: RE: UC [Sls-slp] Updated Prox-1 Data Link Layer book Now Available Greg, Sorry for the delay? I have now added a new document to the CWE ( http://tinyurl.com/3n9qx9r - same link as below) that contains the comments from UKSA on the P1 Data Link Layer. This has been done from the ExoMars lander point of view. I have also added the document that has the proposed changes to the hail for Set V(R) ? which was presented in Berlin. Matt. Matthew Cosby Communications Engineering, Space Manpower Tel: 01252 396313 email: mcosby at QinetiQ.com www.QinetiQ.com QinetiQ - Delivering customer-focused solutions Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: sls-slp-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org [ mailto:sls-slp-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Kazz, Greg J (313B) Sent: 19 October 2011 19:50 To: sls-slp at mailman.ccsds.org Cc: Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int; Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int Subject: [Sls-slp] Updated Prox-1 Data Link Layer book Now Available Dear SLS-SLP members, Please find a new draft review version of the Prox-1 Data Link Layer recommendation in: (filename: Prox1 Data Link Oct 14 2011 includes ESA) http://tinyurl.com/3n9qx9r There are a few ESA comments that are pending resolution. You can find these and NASA comments concerning them in the same URL with filename: Comments to ESA on DLL Oct 18 Best regards, Greg Kazz Chairman SLS-SLP WG This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. QinetiQ may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security. QinetiQ Limited (Registered in England & Wales: Company Number: 3796233) Registered office: Cody Technology Park, Ively Road, Farnborough, Hampshire, GU14 0LX http://www.qinetiq.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int Wed Oct 26 10:57:40 2011 From: Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int (Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:57:40 +0200 Subject: UC [Sls-slp] Updated Prox-1 Data Link Layer book Now Available Message-ID: I do agree with Enrico. ----- Original Message ----- From: Enrico Vassallo Sent: 26/10/2011 12:07 CEDT To: "Cosby Matthew" Cc: Gian Paolo Calzolari; "Kazz, Greg J \(313B\)" ; sls-slp at mailman.ccsds.org Subject: RE: UC [Sls-slp] Updated Prox-1 Data Link Layer book Now Available Matt, thanks for your inputs. Note that the deadline for input papers expired one week ago. Additionally, we have an internal ESA problem since the EXOMARS team did not deliver any request for changes to us. I propose the following way forward: 1) With priority one we discuss in Boulder the changes necessary to align the 3 books for a mission starting today so that we eliminate the many inconsistencies we found. This can be done by looking at the inputs delivered in time for the meeting. 3 clean and correct books can be delivered at the end of the meeting. 2) With a view to integrating comments requesting additional capabilities (inputs from you and Greg, delivered late), we could dedicate the time that remains from activity 1and maybe generate a new set of drafts that should remain in the WG. By the next meeting, we can work out the internal ESA problems and check that EXOMARS is approved as we know it today (if the Russians come on board by next January, we may need to add additional non CCSDS standard modes......) Given that the new features in 2 require independent verification as for CCSDS rules, I would recommend that we go ahead with agency review of the documents resulting from 1. In two years from now, we may be able to submit the documents initiated in 2 for an add-on review. There are too many problems with the current books to delay delivering corrected versions. One idea would be not to do an agency review but to call this delivery a corrigendum. In this case, we can have only one agency review once the new capabilities have been properly added and verified. Let's discuss it in Boulder so as to avoid too many emails ..... Regards, Enrico From: "Cosby Matthew" To: Cc: , , "Kazz, Greg J \(313B\)" Date: 26/10/2011 11:41 Subject: RE: UC [Sls-slp] Updated Prox-1 Data Link Layer book Now Available Greg, Sorry for the delay? I have now added a new document to the CWE ( http://tinyurl.com/3n9qx9r - same link as below) that contains the comments from UKSA on the P1 Data Link Layer. This has been done from the ExoMars lander point of view. I have also added the document that has the proposed changes to the hail for Set V(R) ? which was presented in Berlin. Matt. Matthew Cosby Communications Engineering, Space Manpower Tel: 01252 396313 email: mcosby at QinetiQ.com www.QinetiQ.com QinetiQ - Delivering customer-focused solutions Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: sls-slp-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org [ mailto:sls-slp-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Kazz, Greg J (313B) Sent: 19 October 2011 19:50 To: sls-slp at mailman.ccsds.org Cc: Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int; Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int Subject: [Sls-slp] Updated Prox-1 Data Link Layer book Now Available Dear SLS-SLP members, Please find a new draft review version of the Prox-1 Data Link Layer recommendation in: (filename: Prox1 Data Link Oct 14 2011 includes ESA) http://tinyurl.com/3n9qx9r There are a few ESA comments that are pending resolution. You can find these and NASA comments concerning them in the same URL with filename: Comments to ESA on DLL Oct 18 Best regards, Greg Kazz Chairman SLS-SLP WG This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. QinetiQ may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security. QinetiQ Limited (Registered in England & Wales: Company Number: 3796233) Registered office: Cody Technology Park, Ively Road, Farnborough, Hampshire, GU14 0LX http://www.qinetiq.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MCOSBY at qinetiq.com Wed Oct 26 11:02:38 2011 From: MCOSBY at qinetiq.com (Cosby Matthew) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:02:38 +0100 Subject: UC [Sls-slp] Updated Prox-1 Data Link Layer book Now Available In-Reply-To: References: <20111026094141.ABE835F87DF@esa-sf1.esa.gmessaging.net> Message-ID: Enrico, I will keep this brief so we can discuss it next week and I understand your issues regarding the ExoMars programme - we have been having the same issues with programme - which is why the review has been delayed. We need to be clear between new capabilities and corrections to the specification. I agree that new capabilities should not be included under the 5 year review - however all technical corrections & inconsistencies should be. Saying this I am not sure that NASA / UKSA are not adding any new features, just identifying errors when they implementing the protocol (except the ones that have been presented before). The first thing we should do is each Agency should identify what are their Major / Minor inconsistencies before we embark on the discussion (as set out in the agenda). This should speed up the discussion. I agree the goal is to come out of the review with 3 clean books, however I would not be happy to recommend an agency review without addressing ESA's, NASA's and UKSA comments on the inconsistencies. Have a safe trip over and I will see you on Sun or Mon. Matt. Matthew Cosby Communications Engineering, Space Manpower Tel: 01252 396313 email: mcosby at QinetiQ.com www.QinetiQ.com QinetiQ - Delivering customer-focused solutions Please consider the environment before printing this email. ________________________________ From: Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int [mailto:Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int] Sent: 26 October 2011 11:08 To: Cosby Matthew Cc: Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int; Kazz, Greg J (313B); sls-slp at mailman.ccsds.org Subject: RE: UC [Sls-slp] Updated Prox-1 Data Link Layer book Now Available Matt, thanks for your inputs. Note that the deadline for input papers expired one week ago. Additionally, we have an internal ESA problem since the EXOMARS team did not deliver any request for changes to us. I propose the following way forward: 1) With priority one we discuss in Boulder the changes necessary to align the 3 books for a mission starting today so that we eliminate the many inconsistencies we found. This can be done by looking at the inputs delivered in time for the meeting. 3 clean and correct books can be delivered at the end of the meeting. 2) With a view to integrating comments requesting additional capabilities (inputs from you and Greg, delivered late), we could dedicate the time that remains from activity 1and maybe generate a new set of drafts that should remain in the WG. By the next meeting, we can work out the internal ESA problems and check that EXOMARS is approved as we know it today (if the Russians come on board by next January, we may need to add additional non CCSDS standard modes......) Given that the new features in 2 require independent verification as for CCSDS rules, I would recommend that we go ahead with agency review of the documents resulting from 1. In two years from now, we may be able to submit the documents initiated in 2 for an add-on review. There are too many problems with the current books to delay delivering corrected versions. One idea would be not to do an agency review but to call this delivery a corrigendum. In this case, we can have only one agency review once the new capabilities have been properly added and verified. Let's discuss it in Boulder so as to avoid too many emails ..... Regards, Enrico From: "Cosby Matthew" To: Cc: , , "Kazz, Greg J \(313B\)" Date: 26/10/2011 11:41 Subject: RE: UC [Sls-slp] Updated Prox-1 Data Link Layer book Now Available ________________________________ Greg, Sorry for the delay... I have now added a new document to the CWE ( http://tinyurl.com/3n9qx9r - same link as below) that contains the comments from UKSA on the P1 Data Link Layer. This has been done from the ExoMars lander point of view. I have also added the document that has the proposed changes to the hail for Set V(R) - which was presented in Berlin. Matt. Matthew Cosby Communications Engineering, Space Manpower Tel: 01252 396313 email: mcosby at QinetiQ.com www.QinetiQ.com QinetiQ - Delivering customer-focused solutions Please consider the environment before printing this email. ________________________________ From: sls-slp-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:sls-slp-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org ] On Behalf Of Kazz, Greg J (313B) Sent: 19 October 2011 19:50 To: sls-slp at mailman.ccsds.org Cc: Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int; Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int Subject: [Sls-slp] Updated Prox-1 Data Link Layer book Now Available Dear SLS-SLP members, Please find a new draft review version of the Prox-1 Data Link Layer recommendation in: (filename: Prox1 Data Link Oct 14 2011 includes ESA) http://tinyurl.com/3n9qx9r There are a few ESA comments that are pending resolution. 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URL: From greg.j.kazz at jpl.nasa.gov Wed Oct 26 15:24:15 2011 From: greg.j.kazz at jpl.nasa.gov (Kazz, Greg J (313B)) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:24:15 -0700 Subject: UC [Sls-slp] Updated Prox-1 Data Link Layer book Now Available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All, I will make this email very short in the attempt to move us forward. Enrico suggested: "There are too many problems with the current books to delay delivering corrected versions. One idea would be not to do an agency review but to call this delivery a corrigendum." I agree the result of the Boulder meeting should be technical corrigendums of the PL, C&S, and DLL Prox-1 books. Before these meetings, we need to agree what are the baseline documents for discussion at Boulder. This is my understanding of our current baseline: 1. Physical Layer book – SLSRFM-11-19 published by Enrico in his email on Oct 6 – see attached. 2. C&S Sublayer book – SLS-RFM-11-20 published by Enrico in his email on Oct 6 – see attached. 3. DLL book - Prox-1 Data Link Oct 25 2011 includes ESA – see attached. (most comprehesive and up to date version) Note 3: Before today I did not realize that Enrico's version of DLL book on Oct 6 did not include NASA Electra team comments. Not sure why since we have been publishing these to distribution before any deadlines. Strongly recommend we start with number 3 document at the SLP meeting and resolve differences (published before in word file: Comments to ESA on DLL Oct 18 11. ) I hope we can all agree to these documents as the baseline set. I am sure we can resolve any differences of opinion at the meetings we have in these books. We also need to make a decision at the Boulder meeting about if and when to add LDPC to the Prox-1 standard based upon the LDPC update to the the C&S book already provided before the deadline. I am also in agreement that we should do our best to generate PINK SHEETS to the corrigendums we generate in Boulder to address the later breaking inputs.These are the ones that would go out to agency review based upon the timeline we agree to. Best regards, Greg From: "Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int" > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:57:40 -0700 To: "Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int" >, Matthew Cosby > Cc: "Kazz, Greg J (313B)" >, sls-slp > Subject: Re: UC [Sls-slp] Updated Prox-1 Data Link Layer book Now Available I do agree with Enrico. ________________________________ From: Enrico Vassallo Sent: 26/10/2011 12:07 CEDT To: "Cosby Matthew" > Cc: Gian Paolo Calzolari; "Kazz, Greg J \(313B\)" >; sls-slp at mailman.ccsds.org Subject: RE: UC [Sls-slp] Updated Prox-1 Data Link Layer book Now Available Matt, thanks for your inputs. Note that the deadline for input papers expired one week ago. Additionally, we have an internal ESA problem since the EXOMARS team did not deliver any request for changes to us. I propose the following way forward: 1) With priority one we discuss in Boulder the changes necessary to align the 3 books for a mission starting today so that we eliminate the many inconsistencies we found. This can be done by looking at the inputs delivered in time for the meeting. 3 clean and correct books can be delivered at the end of the meeting. 2) With a view to integrating comments requesting additional capabilities (inputs from you and Greg, delivered late), we could dedicate the time that remains from activity 1and maybe generate a new set of drafts that should remain in the WG. By the next meeting, we can work out the internal ESA problems and check that EXOMARS is approved as we know it today (if the Russians come on board by next January, we may need to add additional non CCSDS standard modes......) Given that the new features in 2 require independent verification as for CCSDS rules, I would recommend that we go ahead with agency review of the documents resulting from 1. In two yearsfrom now, we may be able to submit the documents initiated in 2 for an add-on review. There are too many problems with the current books to delay delivering corrected versions. One idea would be not to do an agency reviewbut to call this delivery a corrigendum. In this case, we can have only one agency review once the new capabilities have been properly added and verified. Let's discuss it in Boulder so as to avoid too many emails ..... Regards, Enrico From: "Cosby Matthew" > To: > Cc: >, >, "Kazz, Greg J \(313B\)" > Date: 26/10/2011 11:41 Subject: RE: UC [Sls-slp] Updated Prox-1 Data Link Layer book Now Available ________________________________ Greg, Sorry for the delay… I have now added a new document to the CWE ( http://tinyurl.com/3n9qx9r - same link as below) that contains the comments from UKSA on the P1 Data Link Layer. This has been done from the ExoMars lander point of view. I have also added the document that has the proposed changes to the hail for Set V(R) – which was presented in Berlin. Matt. Matthew Cosby Communications Engineering, Space Manpower Tel: 01252 396313 email: mcosby at QinetiQ.com www.QinetiQ.com QinetiQ - Delivering customer-focused solutions Please consider the environment before printing this email. ________________________________ From: sls-slp-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:sls-slp-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Kazz, Greg J (313B) Sent: 19 October 2011 19:50 To: sls-slp at mailman.ccsds.org Cc: Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int; Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int Subject: [Sls-slp] Updated Prox-1 Data Link Layer book Now Available Dear SLS-SLP members, Please find a new draft review version of the Prox-1 Data Link Layer recommendation in: (filename: Prox1 Data Link Oct 14 2011 includes ESA) http://tinyurl.com/3n9qx9r There are a few ESA comments that are pending resolution. 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