[Sls-rfm] Proposed editorial changes to telecommand recommendations in 401

Fri Dec 14 12:35:21 UTC 2018

Dear Dennis,

we can live with this. I will be sending out the "agreed" editorial 
changes to the CCSDS Editor indicating that we plan to also address the 
glossary once we have the agreed text for the telemetry recommendations.

Regards, Enrico

From:   "Lee, Dennis K (332G)" <Dennis.K.Lee at jpl.nasa.gov>
To:     "Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int" <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>
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Date:   14/12/2018 01:58
Subject:        RE: [Sls-rfm] Proposed editorial changes to telecommand 
recommendations in 401

Dear Enrico,

The consensus over here is that using coded (M) (k) symbol/s would be 
best.  Also agree on the need to update the glossary.

Thanks,
Dennis

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Subject: RE: [Sls-rfm] Proposed editorial changes to telecommand 
recommendations in 401

Dear Dennis, 

recognizing that in the 401 glossary we have 

sps or s/s        Symbols Per Second 

what about using coded (M) (k) sps instead of coded (M) (k) sym/s? Other 
views are for using coded (M) (k) symbol/s. 

Of course we will need to change the glossary once also the telemetry 
recommendations are aligned and s/s does not exist anymore. 

Regards, Enrico 

From:        Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA 
To:        "Lee, Dennis K (332G)" <Dennis.K.Lee at jpl.nasa.gov> 
Cc:        "Andres, Brent (GSFC-567.0)[AS and D, Inc.]" <
brent.r.andres at nasa.gov>, "Charlson, Deane R. (GSFC-5670)" <
deane.r.charlson at nasa.gov>, "Kazz, Greg J (312B)" <
Greg.J.Kazz at jpl.nasa.gov>, "GARON, Howard M (GSFC-567.0)[MUNIZ] (
howard.garon at nasa.gov)" <howard.garon at nasa.gov>, "Hamkins, Jon (3320)" <
Jon.Hamkins at jpl.nasa.gov>, "Andrews, Kenneth S (332B)" <
Kenneth.S.Andrews at jpl.nasa.gov>, "Powers, Michael K. (GSFC-5670)" <
michael.k.powers at nasa.gov>, "Rodriguez, Shannon (GSFC-5670)" <
shannon.rodriguez-1 at nasa.gov>, "'victor.j.sank at nasa.gov'" <
victor.j.sank at nasa.gov>, "'wai.h.fong at nasa.gov'" <wai.h.fong at nasa.gov>, 
"HUANG, WEI-CHUNG. (GSFC-5670) (weichung.huang at nasa.gov)" <
weichung.huang at nasa.gov>, sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org 
Date:        10/12/2018 09:34 
Subject:        RE: [Sls-rfm] Proposed editorial changes to telecommand 
recommendations in 401 

Dear Dennis, 

I agree with NASA's proposal. Gian Paolo had even suggested adding the 
picture you are quoting so ESA and NASA are in line on this one. 

I will take care if this and I kindly ask you to make a proposal for the 
rest of the Blue Book, in time for the next meeting. 

Regards, Enrico 

From:        "Lee, Dennis K (332G)" <Dennis.K.Lee at jpl.nasa.gov> 
To:        "Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int" <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int> 
Cc:        "'victor.j.sank at nasa.gov'" <victor.j.sank at nasa.gov>, "Hamkins, 
Jon (3320)" <Jon.Hamkins at jpl.nasa.gov>, "Andrews, Kenneth S (332B)" <
Kenneth.S.Andrews at jpl.nasa.gov>, "Kazz, Greg J (312B)" <
Greg.J.Kazz at jpl.nasa.gov>, "GARON, Howard M (GSFC-567.0)[MUNIZ] (
howard.garon at nasa.gov)" <howard.garon at nasa.gov>, "'wai.h.fong at nasa.gov'" <
wai.h.fong at nasa.gov>, "Rodriguez, Shannon (GSFC-5670)" <
shannon.rodriguez-1 at nasa.gov>, "Andres, Brent (GSFC-567.0)[AS and D, 
Inc.]" <brent.r.andres at nasa.gov>, "HUANG, WEI-CHUNG. (GSFC-5670) (
weichung.huang at nasa.gov)" <weichung.huang at nasa.gov>, "Powers, Michael K. 
(GSFC-5670)" <michael.k.powers at nasa.gov>, "Charlson, Deane R. (GSFC-5670)" 
<deane.r.charlson at nasa.gov> 
Date:        10/12/2018 08:25 
Subject:        RE: [Sls-rfm] Proposed editorial changes to telecommand 
recommendations in 401 

Enrico,

There were comments from a number of NASA reviewers that “s/s” is a 
confusing notation that should not be used.  The abbreviation “s” is used 
to mean two different things in the numerator and denominator. 
Furthermore, “s” as an abbreviation for symbol is ambiguous since it 
doesn’t differentiate between code symbols and channel symbols. 

The NASA proposal is to replace “s/s” with “coded sym/s”, and “ks/s” with 
“coded ksym/s”.  This would be aligned with the terminology in 211.2-B-2 
(see Figure 1-2 attached), and help differentiate from the common use of 
“symbol” to mean “baud” in the literature and in industry.  Ultimately, we 
would like to see the rest of the 401 Blue Book aligned this way as well, 
with references to "symbols" to be clarified as either "coded symbols" or 
"channel symbols", "s/s" to be replaced by "coded sym/s" or "channel 
sym/s" as appropriate, and "R_s" to be clarified as either "R_cs" or 
"R_chs". 

Thanks,
Denis

From: SLS-RFM <sls-rfm-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> On Behalf Of 
Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int
Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 3:12 AM
To: sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org
Subject: [Sls-rfm] Proposed editorial changes to telecommand 
recommendations in 401

Dear All, 

as you know all our missions have used or are currently using the standard 
telecommand BCH (63,56) encoding. For all these cases, the bandwidth 
expansion is 1.125 which basically means bit rate equals symbol rate. For 
this and other historical reasons, all 401 recommendations for telecommand 
only talk about bit rates assuming that they are actually symbol rates. 
With the first missions considering LDPC 1/2 for telecommand, there is a 
need to remove the confusion by changing bit rates into symbol rates while 
keeping the same limits as in present recommendations. I think this is 
just a purely editorial issue. 

Please let me know if you agree with my proposal and if anything is 
missing in the attachments. If I do not hear from you by December 12, I 
assume your concurrence and will submit the attached document (or its 
amended version in case of suggestions) to the CCSDS editor. 

Best Regards, Enrico 
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