[Sls-mhdc] green book

[Kiely, Aaron B (332B)]

And sorry about the frequent MS Word crashes.  It happens to me as well.  Unfortunately, the CCSDS document editor is only producing the books in *.doc format, not *.docx (which apparently has different problems, although it results in fewer crashes).  If we produce the book in *.docx then it will be converted to *.doc anyway before publication, and we create more problems with the conversion.

I would love to see the day when we could produce the books in LaTeX.

Aaron


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From: sls-mhdc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org [sls-mhdc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] on behalf of Kiely, Aaron B (332B) [aaron.b.kiely at jpl.nasa.gov]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 9:05 AM
To: Enrico Magli; sls-mhdc at mailman.ccsds.org
Subject: RE: [Sls-mhdc] green book

Hi Enrico,

Thank you for writing those sections.

The text for the ESA predictor is indeed nice and compact, and I think it's just right for this section.

My opinion on band re-ordering:

The Green Book is primarily intended to be a user's guide for CCSDS-123, and so my concern about the band-reordering material is that the results are based on other compressors.  Because CCSDS-123 typically uses more than one band for prediction, I would guess that band-reordering provides less of a benefit than it does for a compressor like the ESA one that uses a single band (I could be wrong -- I don't have experimental results at my fingertips to confirm this).

I think we can say that:

* Band re-ordering is outside the standard (there is no header mechanism for communicating a different band order for each image).  But the standard makes no requirement that bands are arranged in order of increasing or decreasing wavelength.  From the perspective of the standard, an image with re-ordered bands is simply a different image to be compressed.

* Band reordering has been shown to provide a benefit for other lossless multispectral and hyperspectral image compressors
    -  However, for some imagers the benefit is small, and using more bands for prediction (larger values of P) might decrease the benefits of band re-ordering

* Finding the optimum band order for a given image is a computationally intensive problem.  However:
    - A "good" (but not necessarily optimum) ordering could still provide a worthwhile benefit
    - It's possible one could produce a default re-ordering on the ground, and use this same default throughout a mission phase, to provide a compression benefit with little impact on onboard computations

So I think we can make these general points to provide the reader some idea of the issue and include the citations to indicate where to look to find more information.  (And your current text makes most of these points.)  But I'm reluctant to include tables of band-reordering numerical results for a compressor other than the one that has been standardized.  The natural question is why we didn't include results for CCSDS-123 since that's the subject of the Green Book, and the conclusions that one might reach about band re-ordering for a different compressor might or might not extend to CCSDS-123.

My recollection is that the WG decided to make band re-ordering something outside the standard, because it was thought to be somewhat unlikely that it would often provide enough benefit to be worthwhile (at least assuming a not-too-small value of P, like P=3).  If there is an interesting example where re-ordering makes a difference using CCSDS-123 for P=3, that might be worth including.

Aaron

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From: sls-mhdc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org [sls-mhdc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] on behalf of Enrico Magli [enrico.magli at polito.it]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:06 AM
To: sls-mhdc at mailman.ccsds.org
Subject: [Sls-mhdc] green book

Dear all,

I have uploaded to CWE a new file (120x2g-2014Oct10_EM) containing some
text for the ESA predictor and band ordering. The text for ESA predictor
is compact. The text for band ordering is a little longer, and has the
following issues:

- it contains results, but I am not sure these results exactly match the
ESA predictor results reported in other sections (i.e. not sure if they
have been obtained using the same version of the software)

- the tables are not formatted to look look like the other tables in the
document.

- literature survey is not thorough.

Before doing extra work on this section, maybe someone else should check
the content and see if it looks as it was intended to be. By the way,
the MS Word document gave me a lot of trouble, crashing Word multiple
times, apparently because of some figures in Sect. 4.

Feel free to modify both sections as appropriate.

Regards,
Enrico


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Enrico Magli
Politecnico di Torino
Dip. di Elettronica e Telecomunicazioni
C. Duca degli Abruzzi 24 - 10129 Torino - Italy
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enrico.magli at polito.it
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