[SLS-CC] Alignment to 401.0-B for DVB-S2X and SCCC-X orange books and for pink sheets to SCCC and DVB-S2

Wed Jun 2 12:24:01 UTC 2021

Many thanks clement.

@Gippo and Tom, the verson provided is the one to be considered for 
publication.

Kind Regards,
Andrea

HE Space Operations for ESA - European Space Agency
Ph.D. Andrea Modenini
Communication Systems & Technologies Engineer 
TT&C and PDT Systems & Techniques Section (TEC-EST)
RF Systems Division
ESTEC
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From:   "Dudal Clement" <Clement.Dudal at cnes.fr>
To:     "Andrea Modenini (external)" <Andrea.Modenini at esa.int>, 
"Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int" <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>
Cc:     "Space Link Coding & Synchronization Working Group" 
<sls-cc at mailman.ccsds.org>, "Thomas Gannett" 
<thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>, "Vialard Marie" <Marie.Vialard at cnes.fr>
Date:   02-06-21 12:07
Subject:        RE: [SLS-CC] Alignment to 401.0-B for DVB-S2X and SCCC-X 
orange books and for pink sheets to SCCC and DVB-S2

Dear all, 

I enclose the modified version of the S2X OB with the agreed text changes.

Regards

Clément

De : Andrea Modenini (external) <Andrea.Modenini at esa.int> 
Envoyé : lundi 31 mai 2021 14:46
À : Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int
Cc : Dudal Clement <Clement.Dudal at cnes.fr>; Space Link Coding & 
Synchronization Working Group <sls-cc at mailman.ccsds.org>; Thomas Gannett 
<thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
Objet : Re: [SLS-CC] Alignment to 401.0-B for DVB-S2X and SCCC-X orange 
books and for pink sheets to SCCC and DVB-S2

Dear all, 
 thanks Enrico for spotting it. 

@Clement, yes, please, if you could update the DVB-S2X OB accordingly, as 
we have done in the SCCC BB. 
Namely, I suggest to have sentences as in the following sections of the 
attachment: 

-Section 1: "as long as compliance to CCSDS recommendations for Radio 
Frequency modulations in [4] is ensured." 
-Section 2.1: "This Recommended Standard covers the functions of both the 
Synchronization and Channel Coding Sublayer and the Physical Layer, the 
latter for what concerns the modulation schemes. CCSDS 401.0-B [4] covers 
additional features of the Physical Layer like frequency bands, 
polarizations, etc. that are not described or referenced here." 

Feel free to place and adjust them as needed, the important is that the 
reader is aware that 401 BB shall be taken into account. 
Then, please send back to all us, that we go ahead for the AD resolution. 

Differently, for the DVB-S2 BB, we can handle the technical corrigendum as 
part of the Agency Review. 

Finally, for SCCC-X, I will provide soon a revised version with the 
technical corrigendum (AI on me for next two weeks). 

Andrea 

HE Space Operations for ESA - European Space Agency 
Ph.D. Andrea Modenini
Communication Systems & Technologies Engineer 
TT&C and PDT Systems & Techniques Section (TEC-EST)
RF Systems Division
ESTEC
Keplerlaan 1, PO Box 299
NL-2200 AG Noordwijk, The Netherlands
andrea.modenini at esa.int | www.esa.int
T +31 71 56 53439 

From:        Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int 
To:        "Dudal Clement" <Clement.Dudal at cnes.fr> 
Cc:        "Thomas Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>, "Space Link 
Coding & Synchronization Working Group" <sls-cc at mailman.ccsds.org> 
Date:        31-05-21 11:41 
Subject:        Re: [SLS-CC] Alignment to 401.0-B for DVB-S2X and SCCC-X 
orange books and for pink sheets to SCCC and DVB-S2 
Sent by:        "SLS-CC" <sls-cc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> 

Thanks Clement. 

Unfortunately, I meant another statement that should also be consistent in 
both. 

Cheers, Enrico 

From:        "Dudal Clement" <Clement.Dudal at cnes.fr> 
To:        "Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int" <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>, 
"Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int" <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int> 
Cc:        "Thomas Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>, "Space Link 
Coding & Synchronization Working Group" <sls-cc at mailman.ccsds.org> 
Date:        31/05/21 11:39 
Subject:        RE: [SLS-CC] Alignment to 401.0-B for DVB-S2X and SCCC-X 
orange books and for pink sheets to SCCC and DVB-S2 

Dear all,

I think the SCCC(-X) and DVB-S2(X) Blue (Orange) Books should be 
consistent regarding this reference to 401.0-B.
I agree to update the S2(X) books in that sense.

Kind regards

Clément

De : SLS-CC <sls-cc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> De la part de 
Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int
Envoyé : lundi 31 mai 2021 11:26
À : Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int
Cc : Thomas Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>; Space Link Coding & 
Synchronization Working Group <sls-cc at mailman.ccsds.org>
Objet : [SLS-CC] Alignment to 401.0-B for DVB-S2X and SCCC-X orange books 
and for pink sheets to SCCC and DVB-S2

Thank you, Enrico. 

Gilles and I are still performing the last check before issuing the 
relevant Area Resolution. 
CESG and CMC poll will then start later also depenging on Tom's queue. 

The DVB-S2X sentence you refer to is in section 1.2 PURPOSE (see snapshot) 

and you propose to amend it according to a sentence we have in the SCCC 
(proposed) pink sheets section 2.1 ARCHITECTURE (see second snapshot) 

Before a final conclusion is reached I want to remark that 
1) the pink sheets for DVB-S2 ( 
https://public.ccsds.org/Lists/CCSDS%201313P11/131x3p11.pdf ) misses a 
similar statement 
2) the published of SCCCX (  https://public.ccsds.org/Pubs/131x21o1.pdf ) 
also misses any reference to 401.0-B and theferore also a similar 
statement 

Having said this, I have the following questions (to everybody): 
a) should a RID to DVB-S2 pink sheets request a statement similar to the 
one in SCCC (proposed) pink sheets to refer to 401.0-B? 
b) should DVB-S2X add a statement similar to the one in SCCC (proposed) 
pink sheets to refer to 401.0-B? 
c) should SCCC-X add [e.g. via Editorial Corrigendum] a statement similar 
to the one in SCCC (proposed) pink sheets to refer to 401.0-B? 

Thank you all for any opinion (and sorry for increasing the entropy :o) 

Gian Paolo 

PS Since SCCC-X is now published at 
https://public.ccsds.org/Pubs/131x21o1.pdf , I also updated the strategic 
plan for this. 
Andrea, Ken, can you please check the strategic plan at 
https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/sp/Lists/SLSLinks/AllItems.aspx ? 

From:        Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA 
To:        Andrea Modenini/estec/ESA at ESA 
Cc:        "Lee, Dennis K (332G)" <Dennis.K.Lee at jpl.nasa.gov>, Gian Paolo 
Calzolari/esoc/ESA at ESA, "Moury Gilles" <Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, "Ken 
Andrews" <Kenneth.S.Andrews at jpl.nasa.gov>, "Space Link Coding & 
Synchronization Working Group" <sls-cc at mailman.ccsds.org>, "Thomas 
Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net> 
Date:        31-05-21 10:44 
Subject:        Re: [SLS-CC] Spring 2021 resolutions concerning CCSDS 
13.2-B, 131.0-B, and 131.6-O 

Dear Andrea, 

concerning the DVB-S2X OB, I noted that there is a sentence going like 
and to recommend options of the DVB-S2(X) standard suited to high data 
rate transmission applications, such as Earth Exploration Satellite 
Services (EESS) payload telemetry, ground-to-space and space-to-space 
applications (Space Research Services SRS, inter-satellite links 

I think it should be amended by the text you proposed for the SCCC liberal 
approach "....providing it is in line with 401" or similar. 

I leave this up to you to get the agreement by CNES before resubmission 
otherwise I would have to send my comment via the ESA representative at 
CMC (or CESG, depending on the path for this book). 

Sorry for being late but this book was not presented again as logical and 
I did not remember this sentence, 

Enrico 

From:        Andrea Modenini/estec/ESA 
To:        "Space Link Coding & Synchronization Working Group" <
sls-cc at mailman.ccsds.org> 
Cc:        Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA at ESA, "Lee, Dennis K (332G)" <
Dennis.K.Lee at jpl.nasa.gov>, "Ken Andrews" <Kenneth.S.Andrews at jpl.nasa.gov
>, Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA at ESA, "Moury Gilles" <Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr
>, "Thomas Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net> 
Date:        29/05/21 14:04 
Subject:        [SLS-CC] Spring 2021 resolutions concerning CCSDS 13.2-B, 
131.0-B, and 131.6-O 

Dear all, 
by means of this email I formalise the C&S WG resolutions that we had 
during Spring meeting 2021. 

Namely: 
-Start agency review of CCSDS 131.2 in attachment (agreed with RFM WG 
during joint meeting) 
-Start agency review of CCSDS 131.0 as provided in the email sent by Ken 
Andrews to the WG on 28-05-21 22:06 (CEST) 
-To resubmit 131.6-O-1 (in attachment) as is for publication (in view of 
the Record of consensus and implementation of the liberal approach). 

I kindly ask SLS AD to raise the related Area resolutions. 

Kind Regards 

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