[Sis-mia] [EXTERNAL] [BULK] Edge cases for hardware encoder testing

Mon Feb 12 17:42:12 UTC 2024

Thanks for the update!

Hopefully Walt/Sandy are or will be helping you with the hardware h.265 encode.

-Rod

“Live Life Forward”
Rodney Grubbs, NASA Emeritus & ESDMD Consultant
Chair, CCSDS Motion Imagery & Applications Working Group
931-229-6030 (Personal phone)

Note: I retired from NASA on March 31, 2023. My Emeritus status only relates to supporting NASA/MSFC’s CCSDS matters.

From: "Raible, Daniel E. (GRC-LCP0)" <daniel.e.raible at nasa.gov>
Date: Friday, February 9, 2024 at 7:39 AM
To: "Grubbs, Rodney P. (MSFC-AS50)[EMERITUS PROGRAM]" <rodney.p.grubbs at nasa.gov>, "Lindblom, Walter E. (MSFC-IS64)[AEGIS]" <walt.lindblom at nasa.gov>, "Grubbs, Rodney P. (MSFC-AS50)[EMERITUS PROGRAM] via SIS-MIA" <sis-mia at mailman.ccsds.org>
Cc: "George, Sandy (MSFC-IS64)[AEGIS]" <sandy.george at nasa.gov>, "St. Peter, Beth (MSFC-HP10)" <elizabeth.m.st.peter at nasa.gov>, "Kortas, Nadia (GRC-LSX0)" <nadia.kortas at nasa.gov>, "Schweinsberg, Ethan {He, Him} (GRC-LSS0)" <ethan.e.schweinsberg at nasa.gov>, "McKeehan, Shaun M. (GRC-LSX0)" <shaun.mckeehan at nasa.gov>, "Short, Bob (GRC-LCN0)" <robert.s.short at nasa.gov>
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [BULK] [Sis-mia] Edge cases for hardware encoder testing

Hello Rodney,

Quick update from our side.  We have successfully moved all of our laboratory into the new Aerospace Communications Facility at GRC, and are now bringing all of the machines back online.  In addition, we are awaiting delivery of additional nodes, which will expand our total LunaNet test network capability to 15 hardware units.  This will allow us to better replicate realistic end to end scenarios including representative NSN and DSN assets during testing.  Also, yesterday we took delivery of this camera, which will now allow us to run at full 4K60p:

Sony Compact 4K60 Box-Style Remote Camera with 25x SRGXB25 B&H (bhphotovideo.com)<https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1576419-REG/sony_srgxb25_4k60p_compact_box_camera.html>

Reviewing your requested test points:

720P30 h.264 @ 2 Mbps
720P60 h.264 @ 4 Mbps
1080P30 h.265 @ 4 Mpbs, 6 Mbps and 8 Mbps
1080P60 h.265 @ 6 Mbps and 8 Mbps
2160P30 h.265 @ 6 Mpbs and 8 Mbps
2160P60 h.265 @ 8 Mbps

… we are still in need of hardware encoders/decoders to accomplish the h.265, since our software currently only handles h.264.

Finally, our publication on the previous streaming tests has been officially released:

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20230018166

Regards,
Daniel

Dr. Daniel E. Raible, KE8ESB
Electronics Engineer, Optics and Photonics Branch (LCP)
NASA John H. Glenn Research Center at Lewis Field
21000 Brookpark Road, Mail Stop 77-2
Cleveland, OH 44135-3191
phone: (216) 433-3367 fax: (216) 433-8705

From: Grubbs, Rodney P. (MSFC-AS50)[EMERITUS PROGRAM] <rodney.p.grubbs at nasa.gov>
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 10:20 AM
To: Lindblom, Walter E. (MSFC-IS64)[AEGIS] <walt.lindblom at nasa.gov>; Raible, Daniel E. (GRC-LCP0) <daniel.e.raible at nasa.gov>; Grubbs, Rodney P. (MSFC-AS50)[EMERITUS PROGRAM] via SIS-MIA <sis-mia at mailman.ccsds.org>
Cc: George, Sandy (MSFC-IS64)[AEGIS] <sandy.george at nasa.gov>; St. Peter, Beth (MSFC-HP10) <elizabeth.m.st.peter at nasa.gov>; Kortas, Nadia (GRC-LSX0) <nadia.kortas at nasa.gov>; Schweinsberg, Ethan {He, Him} (GRC-LSS0) <ethan.e.schweinsberg at nasa.gov>; McKeehan, Shaun M. (GRC-LSX0) <shaun.mckeehan at nasa.gov>; Short, Bob (GRC-LCN0) <robert.s.short at nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [BULK] [Sis-mia] Edge cases for hardware encoder testing

Can I get an update on the effort to test GRC’s implementation with hardware based encode/decode?

“Live Life Forward”
Rodney Grubbs, NASA Emeritus & ESDMD Consultant
Chair, CCSDS Motion Imagery & Applications Working Group
931-229-6030 (Personal phone)

Note: I retired from NASA on March 31, 2023. My Emeritus status only relates to supporting NASA/MSFC’s CCSDS matters.

From: "Lindblom, Walter E. (MSFC-IS64)[AEGIS]" <walt.lindblom at nasa.gov<mailto:walt.lindblom at nasa.gov>>
Date: Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 8:45 AM
To: "Raible, Daniel E. (GRC-LCP0)" <daniel.e.raible at nasa.gov<mailto:daniel.e.raible at nasa.gov>>, "Grubbs, Rodney P. (MSFC-AS50)[EMERITUS PROGRAM]" <rodney.p.grubbs at nasa.gov<mailto:rodney.p.grubbs at nasa.gov>>, "Grubbs, Rodney P. (MSFC-AS50)[EMERITUS PROGRAM] via SIS-MIA" <sis-mia at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:sis-mia at mailman.ccsds.org>>
Cc: "George, Sandy (MSFC-IS64)[AEGIS]" <sandy.george at nasa.gov<mailto:sandy.george at nasa.gov>>, "St. Peter, Beth (MSFC-HP10)" <elizabeth.m.st.peter at nasa.gov<mailto:elizabeth.m.st.peter at nasa.gov>>, "Kortas, Nadia (GRC-LSX0)" <nadia.kortas at nasa.gov<mailto:nadia.kortas at nasa.gov>>, "Schweinsberg, Ethan {He, Him} (GRC-LSS0)" <ethan.e.schweinsberg at nasa.gov<mailto:ethan.e.schweinsberg at nasa.gov>>, "McKeehan, Shaun M. (GRC-LSS0)" <shaun.mckeehan at nasa.gov<mailto:shaun.mckeehan at nasa.gov>>, "Short, Bob (GRC-LCN0)" <robert.s.short at nasa.gov<mailto:robert.s.short at nasa.gov>>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [BULK] [Sis-mia] Edge cases for hardware encoder testing

Unfortunately, no. I have been scheduled for an all day  review meeting tomorrow.

Walt Lindblom
Video Engineer, NASA Imagery Experts Group
AEGIS
256-684-0580

From: "Raible, Daniel E. (GRC-LCP0)" <daniel.e.raible at nasa.gov<mailto:daniel.e.raible at nasa.gov>>
Date: Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 7:52 AM
To: Walt Lindblom <walt.lindblom at nasa.gov<mailto:walt.lindblom at nasa.gov>>, "Grubbs, Rodney P. (MSFC-AS50)[EMERITUS PROGRAM]" <rodney.p.grubbs at nasa.gov<mailto:rodney.p.grubbs at nasa.gov>>, "Grubbs, Rodney P. (MSFC-AS50)[EMERITUS PROGRAM] via SIS-MIA" <sis-mia at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:sis-mia at mailman.ccsds.org>>
Cc: "George, Sandy (MSFC-IS64)[AEGIS]" <sandy.george at nasa.gov<mailto:sandy.george at nasa.gov>>, Beth St peter <elizabeth.m.st.peter at nasa.gov<mailto:elizabeth.m.st.peter at nasa.gov>>, "Kortas, Nadia (GRC-LSX0)" <nadia.kortas at nasa.gov<mailto:nadia.kortas at nasa.gov>>, "Schweinsberg, Ethan {He, Him} (GRC-LSS0)" <ethan.e.schweinsberg at nasa.gov<mailto:ethan.e.schweinsberg at nasa.gov>>, "McKeehan, Shaun M. (GRC-LSS0)" <shaun.mckeehan at nasa.gov<mailto:shaun.mckeehan at nasa.gov>>, "Short, Bob (GRC-LCN0)" <robert.s.short at nasa.gov<mailto:robert.s.short at nasa.gov>>
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [BULK] [Sis-mia] Edge cases for hardware encoder testing

Would sometime Friday work well for you for a discussion, say after 11:00?

Thanks!

Regards,
Daniel

Dr. Daniel E. Raible, KE8ESB
Electronics Engineer, Optics and Photonics Branch (LCP)
NASA John H. Glenn Research Center at Lewis Field
21000 Brookpark Road, Mail Stop 77-2
Cleveland, OH 44135-3191
phone: (216) 433-3367 fax: (216) 433-8705

From: Lindblom, Walter E. (MSFC-IS64)[AEGIS] <walt.lindblom at nasa.gov<mailto:walt.lindblom at nasa.gov>>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2024 2:10 PM
To: Raible, Daniel E. (GRC-LCP0) <daniel.e.raible at nasa.gov<mailto:daniel.e.raible at nasa.gov>>; Grubbs, Rodney P. (MSFC-AS50)[EMERITUS PROGRAM] <rodney.p.grubbs at nasa.gov<mailto:rodney.p.grubbs at nasa.gov>>; Grubbs, Rodney P. (MSFC-AS50)[EMERITUS PROGRAM] via SIS-MIA <sis-mia at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:sis-mia at mailman.ccsds.org>>
Cc: George, Sandy (MSFC-IS64)[AEGIS] <sandy.george at nasa.gov<mailto:sandy.george at nasa.gov>>; St. Peter, Beth (MSFC-HP10) <elizabeth.m.st.peter at nasa.gov<mailto:elizabeth.m.st.peter at nasa.gov>>; Kortas, Nadia (GRC-LSX0) <nadia.kortas at nasa.gov<mailto:nadia.kortas at nasa.gov>>; Schweinsberg, Ethan {He, Him} (GRC-LSS0) <ethan.e.schweinsberg at nasa.gov<mailto:ethan.e.schweinsberg at nasa.gov>>; McKeehan, Shaun M. (GRC-LSS0) <shaun.mckeehan at nasa.gov<mailto:shaun.mckeehan at nasa.gov>>; Short, Bob (GRC-LCN0) <robert.s.short at nasa.gov<mailto:robert.s.short at nasa.gov>>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [BULK] [Sis-mia] Edge cases for hardware encoder testing

Yes! Sandy and I will be on travel tomorrow and Wednesday but should be available later in the week.

Walt Lindblom
Video Engineer, NASA Imagery Experts Group
AEGIS
256-684-0580

From: "Raible, Daniel E. (GRC-LCP0)" <daniel.e.raible at nasa.gov<mailto:daniel.e.raible at nasa.gov>>
Date: Monday, January 29, 2024 at 12:29 PM
To: Walt Lindblom <walt.lindblom at nasa.gov<mailto:walt.lindblom at nasa.gov>>, "Grubbs, Rodney P. (MSFC-AS50)[EMERITUS PROGRAM]" <rodney.p.grubbs at nasa.gov<mailto:rodney.p.grubbs at nasa.gov>>, "Grubbs, Rodney P. (MSFC-AS50)[EMERITUS PROGRAM] via SIS-MIA" <sis-mia at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:sis-mia at mailman.ccsds.org>>
Cc: "George, Sandy (MSFC-IS64)[AEGIS]" <sandy.george at nasa.gov<mailto:sandy.george at nasa.gov>>, Beth St peter <elizabeth.m.st.peter at nasa.gov<mailto:elizabeth.m.st.peter at nasa.gov>>, "Kortas, Nadia (GRC-LSX0)" <nadia.kortas at nasa.gov<mailto:nadia.kortas at nasa.gov>>, "Schweinsberg, Ethan {He, Him} (GRC-LSS0)" <ethan.e.schweinsberg at nasa.gov<mailto:ethan.e.schweinsberg at nasa.gov>>, "McKeehan, Shaun M. (GRC-LSS0)" <shaun.mckeehan at nasa.gov<mailto:shaun.mckeehan at nasa.gov>>, "Short, Bob (GRC-LCN0)" <robert.s.short at nasa.gov<mailto:robert.s.short at nasa.gov>>
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [BULK] [Sis-mia] Edge cases for hardware encoder testing

Hello Walter and Rodney,

Good to hear from you!  Sorry for the delay – we had our agency-wide DTN meetings all last week at HQ, so have been immersed in those activities.

We are back at GRC, and have scheduled tomorrow some time to talk through our various testing activities to identify gaps, and refine our gameplan following the HQ sessions.

Could we plan to talk later in the week, perhaps on Thursday or Friday to talk about potential camera sources and encoders we could incorporate?

Thank you!

Regards,
Daniel

Dr. Daniel E. Raible, KE8ESB
Electronics Engineer, Optics and Photonics Branch (LCP)
NASA John H. Glenn Research Center at Lewis Field
21000 Brookpark Road, Mail Stop 77-2
Cleveland, OH 44135-3191
phone: (216) 433-3367 fax: (216) 433-8705

From: Lindblom, Walter E. (MSFC-IS64)[AEGIS] <walt.lindblom at nasa.gov<mailto:walt.lindblom at nasa.gov>>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2024 10:22 AM
To: Grubbs, Rodney P. (MSFC-AS50)[EMERITUS PROGRAM] <rodney.p.grubbs at nasa.gov<mailto:rodney.p.grubbs at nasa.gov>>; Raible, Daniel E. (GRC-LCP0) <daniel.e.raible at nasa.gov<mailto:daniel.e.raible at nasa.gov>>; Grubbs, Rodney P. (MSFC-AS50)[EMERITUS PROGRAM] via SIS-MIA <sis-mia at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:sis-mia at mailman.ccsds.org>>
Cc: George, Sandy (MSFC-IS64)[AEGIS] <sandy.george at nasa.gov<mailto:sandy.george at nasa.gov>>; St. Peter, Beth (MSFC-HP10) <elizabeth.m.st.peter at nasa.gov<mailto:elizabeth.m.st.peter at nasa.gov>>; Kortas, Nadia (GRC-LSX0) <nadia.kortas at nasa.gov<mailto:nadia.kortas at nasa.gov>>; Schweinsberg, Ethan {He, Him} (GRC-LSS0) <ethan.e.schweinsberg at nasa.gov<mailto:ethan.e.schweinsberg at nasa.gov>>; McKeehan, Shaun M. (GRC-LSS0) <shaun.mckeehan at nasa.gov<mailto:shaun.mckeehan at nasa.gov>>; Short, Bob (GRC-LCN0) <robert.s.short at nasa.gov<mailto:robert.s.short at nasa.gov>>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [BULK] [Sis-mia] Edge cases for hardware encoder testing

I have sent Daniel an email asking what they need. Our bad, Sandy & I had all intentions of doing this last week but were overcome by events.

Walt Lindblom
Video Engineer, NASA Imagery Experts Group
AEGIS
256-684-0580

From: "Grubbs, Rodney P. (MSFC-AS50)[EMERITUS PROGRAM]" <rodney.p.grubbs at nasa.gov<mailto:rodney.p.grubbs at nasa.gov>>
Date: Monday, January 29, 2024 at 8:24 AM
To: "Raible, Daniel E. (GRC-LCP0)" <daniel.e.raible at nasa.gov<mailto:daniel.e.raible at nasa.gov>>, "Grubbs, Rodney P. (MSFC-AS50)[EMERITUS PROGRAM] via SIS-MIA" <sis-mia at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:sis-mia at mailman.ccsds.org>>
Cc: "George, Sandy (MSFC-IS64)[AEGIS]" <sandy.george at nasa.gov<mailto:sandy.george at nasa.gov>>, Beth St peter <elizabeth.m.st.peter at nasa.gov<mailto:elizabeth.m.st.peter at nasa.gov>>, "Kortas, Nadia (GRC-LSX0)" <nadia.kortas at nasa.gov<mailto:nadia.kortas at nasa.gov>>, "Schweinsberg, Ethan {He, Him} (GRC-LSS0)" <ethan.e.schweinsberg at nasa.gov<mailto:ethan.e.schweinsberg at nasa.gov>>, "McKeehan, Shaun M. (GRC-LSS0)" <shaun.mckeehan at nasa.gov<mailto:shaun.mckeehan at nasa.gov>>, "Short, Bob (GRC-LCN0)" <robert.s.short at nasa.gov<mailto:robert.s.short at nasa.gov>>, Walt Lindblom <walt.lindblom at nasa.gov<mailto:walt.lindblom at nasa.gov>>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [BULK] [Sis-mia] Edge cases for hardware encoder testing

Checking in again to get a status on this….

“Live Life Forward”
Rodney Grubbs, NASA Emeritus & ESDMD Consultant
Chair, CCSDS Motion Imagery & Applications Working Group
931-229-6030 (Personal phone)

Note: I retired from NASA on March 31, 2023. My Emeritus status only relates to supporting NASA/MSFC’s CCSDS matters.

From: "Raible, Daniel E. (GRC-LCP0)" <daniel.e.raible at nasa.gov<mailto:daniel.e.raible at nasa.gov>>
Date: Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 8:11 AM
To: "Grubbs, Rodney P. (MSFC-AS50)[EMERITUS PROGRAM]" <rodney.p.grubbs at nasa.gov<mailto:rodney.p.grubbs at nasa.gov>>, "Grubbs, Rodney P. (MSFC-AS50)[EMERITUS PROGRAM] via SIS-MIA" <sis-mia at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:sis-mia at mailman.ccsds.org>>
Cc: "George, Sandy (MSFC-IS64)[AEGIS]" <sandy.george at nasa.gov<mailto:sandy.george at nasa.gov>>, "St. Peter, Beth (MSFC-HP10)" <elizabeth.m.st.peter at nasa.gov<mailto:elizabeth.m.st.peter at nasa.gov>>, "Kortas, Nadia (GRC-VA00)" <nadia.kortas at nasa.gov<mailto:nadia.kortas at nasa.gov>>, "Schweinsberg, Ethan {He, Him} (GRC-LSS0)" <ethan.e.schweinsberg at nasa.gov<mailto:ethan.e.schweinsberg at nasa.gov>>, "McKeehan, Shaun M. (GRC-LSS0)" <shaun.mckeehan at nasa.gov<mailto:shaun.mckeehan at nasa.gov>>, "Short, Bob (GRC-LCN0)" <robert.s.short at nasa.gov<mailto:robert.s.short at nasa.gov>>
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [BULK] [Sis-mia] Edge cases for hardware encoder testing

Thank you, Rodney.  These test points are very helpful.  Nadia and Ethan have been working in the lab, and we are confident we could start testing the H264 @30 with hardware encoding with little change to our current setup.  They have also added scripts to automate the testbed configurations, so making changes will be very straightforward in the future.  They have also added the capability to stream content directly from YouTube, in addition to our file transfer and camera streaming capability.  For the H265 points, we will likely need to make some adjustments to the streaming code to accommodate the memory requirements, which should take a few weeks.

There are a couple areas where we could use some assistance.

  *   Since our lab camera tops out at 30fps, we would be interested in borrowing one to accomplish the 60fps test points.
  *   We are planning on using the Nvidia Jetson Orin for the hardware encoding/decoding.  However if there is alternate encoding hardware available we could also use, we would be interested in that as well for the purpose of comparing results, especially if it was more representative of s/c subsystems.
  *   Up to this point we have not evaluated GOP as a performance metric, do you have any recommended code or process for that?

Thank you, and we’d be happy to talk through things with you as we endeavor to conduct these tests.  As well, beyond these tests we are VERY interested in improving our LunaNet testbed to conduct higher fidelity daily con-ops representative of Gateway-esque operations.  We’d love to learn from you how to improve our testbed to become more relevant and useful to the human spaceflight community, and help answer DTN lunar infusion questions.  For these particular test points, if would be great to eventually publish our performance findings within the context of emulated lunar operations.

Have a great holiday!

Regards,
Daniel

Dr. Daniel E. Raible, KE8ESB
Electronics Engineer, Optics and Photonics Branch (LCP)
NASA John H. Glenn Research Center at Lewis Field
21000 Brookpark Road, Mail Stop 77-2
Cleveland, OH 44135-3191
phone: (216) 433-3367 fax: (216) 433-8705

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [BULK] [Sis-mia] Edge cases for hardware encoder testing

GRC team, the following are the likely ranges for resolution, frame rate, and compression algorithms. MSFC/Beth St. Peter please let us know if I missed anything.

720P30 h.264 @ 2 Mbps
720P60 h.264 @ 4 Mbps
1080P30 h.265 @ 4 Mpbs, 6 Mbps and 8 Mbps
1080P60 h.265 @ 6 Mbps and 8 Mbps
2160P30 h.265 @ 6 Mpbs and 8 Mbps
2160P60 h.265 @ 8 Mbps

“Live Life Forward”
Rodney Grubbs, NASA Emeritus
Chair, CCSDS Motion Imagery & Applications Working Group
Deputy Area Director, Space Internetworking Services Area
931-229-6030 (Personal phone)

Note: I retired from NASA on March 31, 2023. My Emeritus status only relates to supporting NASA/MSFC’s CCSDS matters.

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