[Sea-sa] SAWG Deputy WG Chair

Sun May 1 22:04:12 UTC 2016

Dear Peter,

I think I understood the essence of Ramon’s comment.

In particular, I appreciated his conclusive comment ...

“It appears that appointing a deputy chair would incur no cost on the working group, and could add to the working capacity of the group.”

considering that we are much aware of the critical importance of 
adding men-months power to the SA WG and, hopefully, perhaps,
alleviate the heavy working load you have in your hands, so far.

at the same time, to Ramon’s judicious comment ...

“That’s a non-trivial level of commitment” 

I would add that, if the deputy may eventually share or temporarily 
take over, partially or not, the work load and responsibility of the 
WG Chairman, continuity of the on going work of the WG would be
better guarantee.

I have a very clear view of the -very- stringent man power limitations
within CESG but, at the same time, I also understand that CESG 
Directorship and CMC can handle this issue should a proposal come
out from SEA - SA WG.

Kind regards,
Eduardo

P.S. For obvious reasons, I take the opportunity to ENCLOSE the 
final slide of INPE Report to the CMC meeting, as presented last 
Thursday.

ENCLOSURE: slide
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From: Ramon Krosley 
Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 6:15 PM
To: 'Shames, Peter M (312B)' ; 'Eduardo W. Bergamini' 
Cc: 'SEA-SA-CCSDS' 
Subject: RE: [Sea-sa] SAWG Deputy WG Chair

The role of the deputy chair in the CCSDS organization book seems to be to serve where and when the chair cannot.  That’s a non-trivial level of commitment, even if it is never invoked, because the deputy must be ready.  It’s probably beneficial to draw the deputy from an agency different from that of the chair, in order to recognize the breadth of importance of the work of the group among agencies.

I saw a spread sheet a few years ago that showed that a significant number of working groups had no co-chair (which I think is the same a deputy).  If I remember correctly, there were as much as a third of the working groups in that status at that time.  I don’t know how that situation has evolved, but its current state compared to the previous state would tell us something about the value of deputies in the CCSDS organization.

It appears that appointing a deputy chair would incur no cost on the working group, and could add to the working capacity of the group.

Ramon

From: sea-sa-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:sea-sa-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Shames, Peter M (312B)
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 2:39 PM
To: Eduardo W. Bergamini <e.w.bergamini at uol.com.br>
Cc: SEA-SA-CCSDS <sea-sa at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: Re: [Sea-sa] SAWG Deputy WG Chair

Dear Eduardo,

Thank you for the kind words and support.  I understand that your agency may not be in a positin to directly contribute at this time, but your support is always welcome and has helped.

Best regards, Peter

From: Eduardo Bergamini <e.w.bergamini at uol.com.br>
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 1:33 PM
To: Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: SEA-SA <sea-sa at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: Re: [Sea-sa] SAWG Deputy WG Chair

  Dear Peter,

  I appreciate your efficiency in presenting this issue that was brought up in our CMC 

  meeting we are helding here, in INPE. I had the privilege to be in the meeting where

  this question was posed to you by one of our attendants.

  From my perspective, aware of the overall context of the discussions at the moment

  the question was posed to you, I got the feeling that it came up, I would express it, 

  accidentally. I say it, because the main theme which was under dicussion was not 

  centered on this type of subject, at that moment. Just that.

  As you are more aware than all of us, I understand that the major concern of SA WG 

  at this stage of the work is to accumulate, as possible more, more man-hour power 

  than other potentials, which may also be important.

  From my part, I can readily express you that I have no proposal, at all, for a Deputy

  WG Chair. In fact, this issue came up to my mind only as a result of your addressing 

  to us, as expressed. I do hope that, yes, SA WG may gradually count on an increase

  in the men-hours it is in need to.

  Thank you for your kind pondering, Peter. 

  Congratulations for what SA WG is gradually achieving. In my opinion, and you know 

  quite well, why, a very important initiative for CCSDS.

  Kind regards,

  Eduardo

  ______________________________________________________________________

  From: Shames, Peter M (312B)

  Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 4:08 PM

  To: SEA-SA

  Subject: [Sea-sa] SAWG Deputy WG Chair

  Dear SAWG team,

  During today’s CESG report to the CMC the question was raised as to whether we needed / wanted a Deputy WG chair.  I am bringing the question to you.  Here are the questions we need to answer:

    1.. Do we want Deputy System Architecture WG Chair?  There is no requirement for one, but we can appoint one if we see value. 
    2.. If the answer is yes, then are any of you interested in that role?   The WG Chair role is described in the CCSDS Org & Proc doc, CCSDS A02x1y4c1, which is found on the CCSDS web site.  Look particularly at section 2.3.3.4. 
    3.. If we do decide we want a Deputy WG Chair I will, as a courtesy, ask the CMC if any of the agencies have a suitable candidate.  Since there is some prestige associated with having a WG chair or deputy some agencies may propose other people, which also means more resources, always a good thing. 
    4.. Depending on the outcome of all of this, which will take at least three-four weeks, we will pick a Deputy WG Chair and I will propose it to the CESG for concurrence.
  So …

  Do we want Deputy System Architecture WG Chair?

  Are any of you interested in that role?

  Answers please by close of business, California time, Monday, 2 May 2016.

  Thanks, Peter

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