[MOIMS-NAV-EXEC] Re: Navigation WG Requests for SANA "Organization" Registry

Mon Nov 9 07:51:17 UTC 2015

I think we all understand that different orgs choose different ways of naming themselves.  We should do the same for orgs that register with us.

Right now it looks like a random walk with no internal logic of any sort.  Not a good approach for a standards organization.

Peter

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On Nov 9, 2015, at 8:03 AM, SkySentry <finklemand at skysentry.net<mailto:finklemand at skysentry.net>> wrote:

These are not exactly random even though most do not follow a consistent logic.  They are how these entities choose to identify themselves.  The US Navy uses a consistent logic, arriving at identifiers such as CINCUSNAVEUR and NAVSPASUR and NAVELEX.   Logic is often illogical.

Dave

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On Nov 8, 2015, at 11:56 PM, Berry, David S (3920) <david.s.berry at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:david.s.berry at jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote:

Peter:

I agree that "order" in these things make sense.  However, as you know, the universe is not all that orderly and is fated to become more disorderly despite our best efforts.

We can arrive at some standard representations for the SANA and request corrigenda for the various books already published with free form text in the ORIGINATOR keyword.  But ultimately I do think the SANA entries can only be suggestions... for example, I wouldn't want to tell some university student that wanted to represent a trajectory in an OEM that they couldn't do that because their organization wasn't registered with the SANA.  I don't think the CCSDS looks to be that exclusive.

Regards,
David

From: "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 10:25 PM
To: David Berry <David.S.Berry at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:David.S.Berry at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Cc: Marc Blanchet <marc.blanchet at viagenie.ca<mailto:marc.blanchet at viagenie.ca>>, "moims-nav-exec at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:moims-nav-exec at mailman.ccsds.org>" <moims-nav-exec at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:moims-nav-exec at mailman.ccsds.org>>
Subject: Re: Navigation WG Requests for SANA "Organization" Registry

Hi David,

I agree completely that we should strive to get this new policy approved and the registries cast as Approved at the earliest opportunity.  I further would suggest that if this is what you want to have happen that you lobby with the MOIMS leadership to ensure that it gets the support from them to go forward.

We will, in any event, ask that these other organizations that are in your list be added to the new Organization registry.  You will have to contact them yourself and ask them to provide the rst of the registration information.  Either that, or please provide at least a Point of Contact (PoC) at each organization so that the SANA Operator can contact them by email.

We can add the CDM originator Role and the aliases that you have identified.  I do note that the aliases do not seem to follow any particular logic.  For instance, why not ESOC and ESAC, or ESA_ESOC and ESA_ESAC?  Similarly, why GSFC FDF and not GSFC_FDF and why INMARSAT/UK.  Why NASA-JPL (and NASA / JPL), but not NASA-GSFC, or even  NASA_GSFC?

We get that there are a bunch of random aliases that people use, but don’t you think that a certain amount of order would make some sense, at least in the ones that we register officially?  If there is an agency that has one or more centers then I think it would be good to have the official names for all the ones of that type consistent and not random.  You can always allow these randomized aliases, yes?

Please suggest one official formulation for these names in the CDM registry that we can apply to all organizations uniformly.

Thanks, Peter

From: David Berry <David.S.Berry at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:David.S.Berry at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 12:43 AM
To: Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Cc: Marc Blanchet <marc.blanchet at viagenie.ca<mailto:marc.blanchet at viagenie.ca>>, "moims-nav-exec at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:moims-nav-exec at mailman.ccsds.org>" <moims-nav-exec at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:moims-nav-exec at mailman.ccsds.org>>
Subject: Navigation WG Requests for SANA "Organization" Registry

Peter:

With respect to the SANA Registry Re-Engineering ongoing, the Navigation
WG requires the incorporation of the following into the
http://sanaregistry.org/r/organizations/organizations.html registry based
on material that exists in our current set of Blue Book publications.

Additionally, we urge that the conversion from "candidate" to "approved"
registry be concluded as soon as possible for the Organizations registry.
Because of its implied size and far-reaching nature, this Organization
registry is one that could potentially require changes on a weekly basis.
It will never be perfect, but if the update cycle is sufficiently
frequent, the gap between the registry and reality should be minimized.

Here are the specific changes requested (since the "Registration Policy"
for this registry is not yet specified, I'll send them to you):

1.  The role of "CDM Originator" and the values in the registry
"Conjunction Data Message ORIGINATOR"
http://sanaregistry.org/r/cdm_originator/cdm_originator.html should be
added.

Additionally, we would request that the following entries for the
"Abbreviation" column be added in the Organizations registry based on
examples shown in our current Blue Books.  Until now this has been
essentially free form text, which explains the variety of values... note
that there should be no REQUIREMENT for values to be drawn from the SANA
Registry, as I believe this will restrict some adoption of standards by
newly interested organizations.

2.  ESA_ESAC (shown on CDM example)
3.  ESOC (shown in ODM example, TDM example)
4.  GSFC FDF (shown in ADM example and NDM/XML example)
5.  GSOC (shown in ODM example, TDM example)
6.  INMARSAT/UK (shown in ODM example)

7.  INTELSAT/USA (shown in ODM example)
8.  JSC (shown in ADM example)
9.  JSPOC (shown on CDM example)
10. NASA-JPL (shown on CDM example)
11. NASA/JPL (shown in ODM example... agency with specific subordinate
organization)

12. NASA/JPL/DSN (specified in NASA JPL 820-013 document)

13. NOAA/USA (shown in ODM example and NDM/XML example... NOAA is in the
registry, but the ODM recommends including the country when the
organization is not one of the member agencies)
14. SDC (shown on CDM example)
15. USAF (shown in ODM example)

Alternatively, corrigenda could be put into those books that have examples
that are deemed not suitable for the Organizations registry.

Regards,
David

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