[Moims-dai] [EXTERNAL] Status of SEA documents with (over)due date for action.

[garrett at his.com]

Hi Peter,

 

I guess that’s the only option, so it will have to work.

We’ll listen to your proposals, but will need to defer decisions till after we talk with Steve and others in the group.

 

Peace and joy,

-JOhn

 

From: Shames, Peter M (312B) <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov> 
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Subject: Re: [Moims-dai] [EXTERNAL] Status of SEA documents with (over)due date for action.

 

Hi John,

 

Unfortunately 1000 does not really work.  I realize that it is late for Steve if we do it in the afternoon, but that would be best for me since my morning is now solidly booked.

 

Came we do it right after lunch?  Steve may not be able to be there, but I think I can give you a good overview and he can answer any questions that come up at the next opportunity.

 

Ok?

 

Thanks, Peter

 

 

From: John Garrett <garrett at his.com <mailto:garrett at his.com> >
Date: Monday, May 6, 2019 at 10:08 PM
To: 'MOIMS-Data Archive Interoperability' <moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org <mailto:moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org> >, Brigitte Behal <Brigitte.Behal at cnes.fr <mailto:Brigitte.Behal at cnes.fr> >
Cc: Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov> >, Mike Kearney <kearneysolutions at gmail.com <mailto:kearneysolutions at gmail.com> >, Dan Smith <danford.s.smith at nasa.gov <mailto:danford.s.smith at nasa.gov> >, Steve Hughes <john.s.hughes at jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:john.s.hughes at jpl.nasa.gov> >, 'Sec-daj-d' <Sec-daj-d at cnes.fr <mailto:Sec-daj-d at cnes.fr> >, David Giaretta <david at giaretta.org <mailto:david at giaretta.org> >
Subject: RE: [Moims-dai] [EXTERNAL] Status of SEA documents with (over)due date for action.

 

Hi Peter,

 

Does  10:00 work for you?

Steve is Skyping into our morning session (evening to late evening for him) when he gets back to hotel from his daily meetings.

Steve should be able to join our Skype call by then.

He probably won’t make the afternoon Skype sessions since that is approaching midnight.

 

Peace and joy,

-JOhn

 

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Subject: Re: [Moims-dai] [EXTERNAL] Status of SEA documents with (over)due date for action.

 

Hi Brigitte,

 

Somehow I lost my calendar items, hence the confusion.  Thanks for the reminder.

 

I recall making that original commitment and I will hold to it.  I’ll have to see if I can reschedule the DAI WG for another time on Tuesday.

 

Thanks for the reminder, Peter

 

 

From: Brigitte Behal <Brigitte.Behal at cnes.fr <mailto:Brigitte.Behal at cnes.fr> >
Date: Monday, May 6, 2019 at 2:03 PM
To: Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov> >
Cc: Steve Hughes <john.s.hughes at jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:john.s.hughes at jpl.nasa.gov> >, David Giaretta <david at giaretta.org <mailto:david at giaretta.org> >, MOIMS-Data Archive Interoperability <moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org <mailto:moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org> >, Mike Kearney <kearneysolutions at gmail.com <mailto:kearneysolutions at gmail.com> >, Dan Smith <danford.s.smith at nasa.gov <mailto:danford.s.smith at nasa.gov> >, Sec-daj-d <Sec-daj-d at cnes.fr <mailto:Sec-daj-d at cnes.fr> >
Subject: RE: [Moims-dai] [EXTERNAL] Status of SEA documents with (over)due date for action.

 

Hi Peter,

 

The SM&C agenda presented by Dan this morning says that you are supposed to discuss Time management BoF, glossary & ontology with SM&C on Tuesday morning, from 10:45 to 12:30. Is it a mistake ?

 

B. Behal

Directrice des Achats, des Recettes externes et des Affaires juridiques

Bpi 1625

Tel: 73396 



 

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Objet : Re: [Moims-dai] [EXTERNAL] Status of SEA documents with (over)due date for action.

 

Hi Mike, 

 

I can make that 1100 AM Tuesday session.  Will try and figure out what that other issue is when I get back to my computer.

 

Thanks, Peter 

Sent from Peter's JPL iPhone X 

 

Everything should be made as simple as possible, 

but not simpler.  

 

~Albert Einstein


On May 6, 2019, at 12:38 PM, Mike Kearney <kearneysolutions at gmail.com <mailto:kearneysolutions at gmail.com> > wrote:

Peter:  You attached a resource plan for Security Key Management (image0001.gif).  Was that an accident, or did it mean something that we don’t understand?  

 

No problem discussing this on Tuesday, but we need to have Steve dial in at the same time, and he’s in Paris.  We’re planning on starting your discussion at 11am Tuesday, which for Steve will be 8pm his time.  Can you support that?  

 

   -=- Mike

 

Mike Kearney

Huntsville, Alabama, USA

 

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Subject: Re: [Moims-dai] [EXTERNAL] Status of SEA documents with (over)due date for action.

 

Hi John, 

 

I just spoke to Mike and realized that there is a possible misunderstanding.  The DAI is planning to develop a specific kind of information architecture.  The Information Service Architecture (ISA) defines a set of registry, repository, and data product services that can be used to compose a variety of different information architectures, such as what DAI is now working on.

 

I think there is an excellent opportunity here for you to adopt the ISA, use it to realize the specific components you need, and kill two birds with one stone.  To whit:

1) Define a realization of the ISA components 

2) Use these to define the DAI specific architecture 

 

I’d like to come talk to you guys about this on Tuesday.  I’ll also point out that Steve Hughes was a member of the ISA WG and is already familiar with the ISA approach.

 

Please let me know what time works.

 

Thanks, Peter 

Sent from Peter's JPL iPhone X 

 

Everything should be made as simple as possible, 

but not simpler.  

 

~Albert Einstein


On May 5, 2019, at 12:51 PM, "garrett at his.com <mailto:garrett at his.com> " <garrett at his.com <mailto:garrett at his.com> > wrote:

Hi Peter,

 

I don’t think there is any pressing need for you to drop by.  However, if you wish to stop by, the best time would be sometimes during the Tues PM 1:30-3:30 session.

 

My understanding regarding RASIM is that DAI is willing to add it to the documents it will maintain in the future.  
However, we currently have 4-5 projects open now and limited resources.  So it would be several years before we would actively work on it.  Therefor it is probably best for SEA to reconfirm it at the present time and we would add it to our schedule to start looking at updating it in a couple years as long as CESG approves of that.

 

Peace and joy,

-JOhn

 

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Subject: Re: [Moims-dai] [EXTERNAL] Status of SEA documents with (over)due date for action.

 

Hi David,

 

Thanks for the feedback.  I am really glad that the DAI WG has agreed to look into this and that there is appreciation for the fact that these registry and repository materials are of relevance.  I was just digging through some older CESG materials for another purpose and was reminded that this work was actually a joint effort between the SEA ISA WG and the MOIMS IPR WG.  So MOIMS had a hand in it as well, and Steve Hughes, now working in DAI, was one of the "perpetrators".

 

I have attached the most recent version of the .doc file that I have in my records.  I think, however, that the best path forward is to ask Tom Gannet for his Word doc file.  During the intervening years we had talked about various ways to improve the doc, but I think that Steve should be able to represent that viewpoint. One thing to consider is whether to leave this as a Green Book or whether to create a new Magenta or even a Blue Book defining actual, implementable, service interfaces.  There is also the question of whether to update this document with UML/SysML diagrams at this point.

 

If you would like me to join the DAI WG for a working session on this during the spring meetings let's try for some time on Tuesday.  That is the only slot I have available.

 

Thanks, Peter

 

 

 

From: David Giaretta <david at giaretta.org <mailto:david at giaretta.org> >
Organization: Giaretta Associates
Date: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 3:32 AM
To: Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov> >
Cc: "moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org <mailto:moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org> " <moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org <mailto:moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org> >
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Status of SEA documents with (over)due date for action.

 

Dear Peter

 

We discussed this at yesterday’s DAI telecon. We agree that there is overlap with DAI and would be interested in pursuing this further. 

We assume you would take care of the formalities of the transfer of the Green Book project to DAI. We could then update the project plan etc in CWE.

We would need to look a bit deeper about whether to simply reaffirm or to make any small updates first. We discussed some ideas of relatively minor additions which would be useful but it needs a bit more thought. 

Please send me the Word file and whatever file you have the diagrams in.

 

Regards

 

..David

 

 

From: Shames, Peter M (312B) <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov> > 
Sent: 11 April 2019 19:00
To: David Giaretta <david at giaretta.org <mailto:david at giaretta.org> >; moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org <mailto:moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org> 
Subject: FW: [EXTERNAL] Status of SEA documents with (over)due date for action.

 

Dear David & DAI,

 

In the following list there is an information architecture document (highlighted) that was created by an earlier SEA Information Systems Architecture (ISA) WG that produced this and then was disbanded.  I believe that the document is still of value and that we could just re-affirm it with little effort.  But I want to ask you to look at the document and see if you concur.

 

I am specifically asking the MOIMS DAI WG if this is something that you would accept into your program of work since you are also working on topics that include information architecture.  I suspect that there may be value in this for the work you are currently doing.

 

I believe that the body of materials covered in this existing Green Book is entirely suitable for inclusion in the ASL document we are now editing in the SEA SAWG.  It covers information models (Information Viewpoint) and also abstract definitions for registries and repositories (Functional and Services Viewpoints).  Since these are abstract services there are no protocol aspects.

 

Please take a look at this document and let me know what you think.  Is it of value to DIA and would you want to “own” it at this point?  If it were just re-confirmed in the SEA SA would you find it of value?

 

Thanks, Peter

 

 

From: "Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int <mailto:Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int> " <Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int <mailto:Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int> >
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2019 at 5:55 AM
To: Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Status of SEA documents with (over)due date for action.

 

Dear Peter, 
I am checking the status of books with (over)due date for action. Concerning the SE Area, I have compiled in the table below all the information I've  found. 
Basically, most of the due updates are on track. 
Concerning 312.0-G-1 I think the decision was to "update " (from my notes at the Gaithersbourg  meeting), but please confirm. 

Two D-DOR Documents are due for Review since 2018. I assume ( and recommend) that the WG will address the need for update ( or reconfirmation) at the Spring Meeting, and will report about that. 

One more question : the NWI anticipated at the Berlin Meeting (350.6-G-1) has not yet "materialised" into a Draft Project . Correct? 

Please glance through the table and let me know if you have comments. 
Thanks !
Margherita 


WG

Document 

Due Date for action (Reconfirm, Update, Silverise)

AD Recommendation 

Status 
Apr .2019


SEA-SEC

350.0-G-2.1 The Application of Security to CCSDS Protocols 

Jan-2011

Update

G3 published


SEA-SEC

350.4-G-1.1 CCSDs Guide for Secure System Interconnection 

Nov-2012

Update

G2 in CMC Ballot


SEA-SEC

350.6-G-1 Space Mission Key Management Concept 

Nov-2016

Update

NWI anticipated at F18, 
Draft Project created, 
work not started


SEA-SEC

350.7-G-1.1 Security Guide for Mission Planners 

Oct-2016

Update

G2 in CMC Ballot


SEA-SEC

350.8-P-1.1 Information security glossary of Terms 

Nov-2017

	P-1.1 in Agency Review


SEA-SA

312.0-G-1 Reference Architecture for Space Information Management 

MAR-2018

Update (TBC)

	

SEA-D-DOR

500.1-G-1 Delta-DOR Technical Characteristics and Performance 

May-2018

R/U/S

	

SEA-D-DOR

506.1-B-1 Delta-DOR Raw Data Exchange Format 

Jun-2018

R/U/S

	







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