[Moims-dai] PMBOK guide and the ICF doc

[D or C Sawyer]

Presumably the PMBOK would be referenced from our document and my question was related to whether any projects from our communities would likely want to pursue PMBOK in other dimensions. Just curious.  From Bob’s response, maybe not?

cheers-
don



On May 9, 2016, at 5:33 PM, David Giaretta <david at giaretta.org> wrote:

> Yes I agree.
> 
> An interesting point is the distinction between project life cycle and the process groups.
> The process groups seem to have been introduced to cover some of the issues we have been discussing.
> 
> Where PMBOK talks about information it is related to planning and monitoring. We are interested in information about the product.
> 
> David
> 
> David
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Robert R Downs <rdowns at ciesin.columbia.edu> 
> Date: 09/05/2016 21:47 (GMT+00:00) 
> To: moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org 
> Subject: Re: [Moims-dai] PMBOK guide and the ICF doc 
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> I believe that we would need to paraphrase if we are to bring in 
> definitions from PMBOK.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bob
> 
> On 5/9/2016 4:41 PM, David Giaretta wrote:
> > I was not familiar with PMBOK, and the document is not free, which restricts
> > familiarity.
> >
> > It seems to me we can refer to the PMBOK but we will have to paraphrase
> > various concepts to capture the sense of it. It is the logic that matters.
> > That would also be necessary for copyright reasons. I guess we may need to
> > use some PMBOK definitions - can we do that or do we need to paraphrase?
> >
> > ..David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > [mailto:moims-dai-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of D or C Sawyer
> > Sent: 09 May 2016 21:27
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> > Subject: Re: [Moims-dai] PMBOK guide and the ICF doc
> >
> > Looks promising to me.  Do you think the rest of the PMBOK would resonate
> > with the communities we're familiar with?  Bob probably has a view on this.
> >
> > cheers-
> > Don
> >
> > On May 9, 2016, at 10:03 AM, David Giaretta <david at giaretta.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Now the wedding is out of the way, I managed to buy a printed copy of the
> > PMBOK 5th edition - which I believe is the latest version.
> >>   
> >> The way it describes the process groups is very interesting. The way I
> > read it the intention seems very similar to my understanding of what we are
> > talking about but the way it is explained is much clearer. For example, the
> > introduction to process groups says:
> >> "The following sections identify and describe 5 project management process
> > groups required for any project. These 5 process groups have clear
> > dependencies and are typically performed in each project and highly interact
> > with one another. These 5 process groups are independent of application
> > areas or industry focus. Individual process groups and individual processes
> > are often iterated prior to completing the project and can have interactions
> > within a process group and among process groups. The nature of these
> > interactions varies from project to project and may or may not be performed
> > in a particular order."
> >> The 5 groups are
> >> -          Initiating
> >> -          Planning
> >> -          Executing
> >> -          Closing
> >> -          Monitoring and controlling
> >>   
> >>   
> >> The Monitoring and controlling is an overarching activity - see the
> > attachment.  The first 4 stages align very well - it depends how much we
> > want to stress _exploit_ and _disposition_. Monitoring and controlling could
> > fit very well as an overarching activity to make sure the appropriate
> > "Additional Information" is captured.
> >>   
> >> Interestingly later in that section there is a table with the process
> > groups along the top and a number of "knowledge areas" down the side - see
> > attachment. In many of the cells there are more specific bullet points which
> > point to sections later in the book. The majority of the book is taken up
> > expanding each of those cells.
> >>   
> >> I see a lot of similarity of approach with ours and it would be relatively
> > straightforward to make the adjustment to align our document with the PMBOK
> > approach.
> >>   
> >> Regards
> >>   
> >> ..David
> >>
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