[CMC] Input for MoM on CCSDS-IOAG interface

Tue Dec 19 19:00:13 UTC 2017

Dear James,

as discussed last week on the phone, and I believe agreed, the CESG Chair 
should support you in your role as IOAG liaison; and this should include 
attending the regular webex-conferences organised by IOAG, and as well as 
providing a progress report during such meetings (with your previous 
approval). This is also what we discussed during the last CMC meeting, and 
the spirit in which you obtained the support of the CMC. You may have 
other meetings with IOAG for which technical support is not necessarily 
required, and then it is at your discretion to invite the CESG Chair to 
participate. 

I understand  you have the firm intention to involve the CESG Chair in 
technical matters, but the example of the recent IOAG invitation shows 
that Margherita should be in the IOAG distribution list per default, so as 
to ensure she gets the invitation timely without you having to forward it. 
This will also allow her to get the inputs from IOAG first hand without 
any loss of information, which is crucial for the CESG to adequately 
respond to the IOAG requests and inputs. 

 It is clear that you are the only CCSDS interface to IOAG, in particular 
when it comes to state CCSDS positions.

I hope with this clarification we can finally agree on the following text 
for the MoM of the last CMC, that by the way, to my knowledge, have not 
yet been circulated.

The CESG Chair role is to in support to the CCSDS Liaison, CMC Chair, is 
as required: 
Participate at the regular IOAG meetings and telecons as required by the 
CCSDS Liaison. 
Provide technical reports periodically and as required by the CCSDS 
Liaison. 
Support the CCSDS Liaison in technical discussions and queries during 
meetings / telecons 
Maintain ICPA (IOAG CCSDS Product Agreement) 
Communicate the IOAG requirements and suggestions to the relevant CCSDS 
WGs

Please let me know

Regards
Juan

From:   "Afarin, James (HQ-CG000)" <james.afarin at nasa.gov>
To:     "Juan.Miro at esa.int" <Juan.Miro at esa.int>
Cc:     CMC - CCSDS Management Council <cmc at mailman.ccsds.org>, "Ross, 
David (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.]" 
<david.ross at nasa.gov>
Date:   06/12/2017 19:48
Subject:        Re: [CMC] Input for MoM on CCSDS-IOAG interface

Dear Juan,

I have not violated any agreement.  The only agreement that we had in the 
CMC was that I will defer all technical issues to the CESG chair and I 
will do so.  There will be management meetings when the attendance by me, 
the CCSDS Liaison, alone is sufficient to represent the CCSDS, and there 
is no need for the CESG Chair or any other CCSDS members to be present on 
behalf of the CCSDS. That is entirely appropriate.  We agreed that the 
CESG role is to support the CCSDS liaison and nothing else. 

No one should give the impression that the CESG Chair is the CCSDS 
technical liaison to the IOAG.  As always, there will be only one CCSDS 
liaison to IOAG.

Thank you

James

James Afarin 
SCaN Standard Manager
Office: (202) 358-5221
Mobile: (202) 549-6496

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 29, 2017, at 6:26 AM, "Juan.Miro at esa.int" <Juan.Miro at esa.int> 
wrote:

Dear James, 

I agree that the IOAG liaison is the only contact point in CCSDS regarding 
formal agreements with IOAG but in order for the liaison to work 
effectively there needs to be a well defined support role for the CESG 
Chair. This role shall include the participation in the technical meetings 
and telecons. This was the agreement during the CMC meeting, that led to 
the consensus to nominate you as the IOAG liaison. Some of the rewording 
you propose now is compromising this agreement, as it implies e.g. that 
the CESG Chair will only participate in the IOAG meetings and telecons if 
you require so.  So I cannot agree with the changes to the first bullet 
you propose, and I have marked my proposed changes to your text (see 
below). 

I understand this agreement has already been violated  by excluding the 
CESG Chair from the distribution list of the IOAG and therefore from the 
invitations to the IOAG telecons issued recently. I do not agree with 
this. 

I also do not agree for efficiency and transparency reasons that the CESG 
Chair is not in copy of communications coming from the IOAG. One thing is 
to avoid that CCSDS is speaking with two voices to IOAG and another one is 
to cut off the CESG Chair from the inputs and information coming from 
IOAG. It goes without saying that the CESG Chair role is in support to the 
IOAG liaison (CMC Chair) but for this support to be provided effectively, 
the CESG Chair must be fully aware of the background information. 

So in the spirit of the agreement during the CMC meeting, that allowed to 
achieve consensus in the poll, I hope you can take into account my inputs 

peoposed text: 

The CESG Chair role is to in support to the CCSDS Liaison, CMC Chair, is 
as required: 
Participate at the IOAG meetings and telecons as required by the CCSDS 
Liaison. 
Provide technical reports periodically and as required by the CCSDS 
Liaison. 
Support the CCSDS Liaison in technical discussions and queries during 
meetings / telecons 
Maintain ICPA (IOAG CCSDS Product Agreement) 
Communicate the IOAG requirements and suggestions to the relevant CCSDS 
WGs 

Regards 
Juan 

Juan Miro 
ESA delegate in the CCSCS Management Council
Head Ground Systems Engineering Department 
Europan Space Operations Centre
European Space Agency 

From:        "Afarin, James (HQ-CG000)" <james.afarin at nasa.gov> 
To:        "Juan.Miro at esa.int" <Juan.Miro at esa.int>, "Ross, David 
(HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.]" <david.ross at nasa.gov> 
Cc:        CMC - CCSDS Management Council <cmc at mailman.ccsds.org> 
Date:        21/11/2017 14:41 
Subject:        Re: [CMC] Input for MoM on CCSDS-IOAG interface 

Hi Juan, 

I made few clarifications on the role of the CESG.  The most important 
aspect is the only avenue to and from IOAG shall be thru the IOAG liaison 
as always.  Please give me your thoughts. 

The CCSDS liaison with IOAG is the CMC Chair and covers the following main 
responsibilities: 

Agree on standards to be developed and relevant priorities 
Clarify resources needed to perform the tasks and ensure their 
availability 
Clarify scope of WGs to be established 
Communicate IOAG inputs to CMC and CESG Chair 
Support IOAG in preparing IOP meetings as required

The CESG Chair role is to support the CCSDS Liaison, CMC Chair, as 
required: 
Participate at the IOAG meetings and telecons as required by the CCSDS 
Liaison. 
Provide technical reports periodically and as required by the CCSDS 
Liaison. 
Support the CCSDS Liaison in technical discussions and queries during 
meetings / telecons 
Maintain ICPA (IOAG CCSDS Product Agreement) 
Communicate the IOAG requirements and suggestions to the relevant CCSDS 
WGs 

Thank you, 

James 

Dr. James Afarin 

Space Data Standards Manager 
Space Communications and Navigation Division
Office: 202-358-5221 
Mobile: 202-549-6496 

From: CMC <cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Juan Miro <
Juan.Miro at esa.int>
Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 10:51 AM
To: "Ross, David (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.]" <
david.ross at nasa.gov>
Cc: CMC - CCSDS Management Council <cmc at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: [CMC] Input for MoM on CCSDS-IOAG interface 

Dear David, 

as agreed by CMC here is my input on the proposed interface between CCSDS 
and IOAG for the corresponding resolution to be included in the  minutes 

Regards 
Juan 

_________________________________________________________________________ 

CCSDS Liaison to IAOG 

The CCSDS liaison with IOAG is the CMC Chair and covers the following main 
responsibilities: 
Agree on standards to be developed and relevant priorities 
Clarify resources needed to perform the tasks and ensure their 
availability 
Clarify scope of WGs to be established 
Communicate IOAG inputs to CMC and CESG Chair 
Support IOAG in preparing IOP meetings as required

The role of the CESG Chair in support to the CMC Chair is: 
Regular participation to IOAG meeting and telecons 
Provide regular reports about CCSDS progress during meetings / telecons 
Support technical discussions and queries during meetings / telecons 
Maintain ICPA (IOAG CCSDS Product Agreement) 
Inject in relevant CCSDS WGs the IOAG requirements and suggestions 
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