[CMC] RE: Interpretation of charter text and CSSA WG Charter

Wed Aug 1 11:26:24 EDT 2012

Well, I may be confused also, Peter, but here's what I understand...

The poll that was started and then was withdrawn was a revised charter for the Cross Supprt Service Management WG.  It is still in work.  But the poll for the Cross Support Space Comm Architecture (CSA) was kept.  That is the poll we are voting on that closes today.

There has not yet been a poll to approve the *project* of a Green Book for the CSA WG.  At that time, when a poll is created to approve the project, we will get all the info about schedule, resources, and participating agencies.

But there is text in this CSSA charter that indicates that included in the scope of the working group are things such as this green book.   What I proposed below is that this simply means that the CMC agrees that this WG is the right place for such work, and agree that it can be on their list of future work.  However, work is not approved to start until the *project* comes to a CMC poll with all the necessary data.

Peter, I saw you comments in your provision.

Ø  There have been concerns raised about there not being a fully developed project for the green book. There should be full information about all books before the charter is formally approved,  as for any charter.

Does my explanation above satisfy your provision?

To wrap up, it is just not reasonable to expect that all charters and projects will all come to poll at the same time.  In fact, we probably want a two-step process...   (1) The WG submits charter text that says that these books are in scope of their work, to get early confirmation from the CMC before they put too much work into it, and (2) the WG develops a detailed proposal for each project, with all the necessary resource and schedule info.  As long as we are approving both charters and projects, I think we need to do each one separately like this, in a sequential yet coupled process.

But I am happy take inputs from CMC members if they have different suggestions or opinions.

And of course, if we all agree, we will need to document this nuance in our procedures, and explain it to the WG chairs.

   -=- Mike

Mike Kearney
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Subject: RE: Interpretation of charter text and CSSA WG Charter

Mike,

I am confused. I do see a project for the concept Green book in the CWE. I seem to recall that it was there in the poll that was advertised and withdrawn a couple of weeks ago.

I agree that there are no resources indicated and perhaps the issue is that there is nothing other than a brief entry in the CWE.

I will go and vote now.

Peter

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Subject: [CMC] Interpretation of charter text and CSSA WG Charter

Dear CMC members:

There has been some concern with the text of this proposed charter, expressed by Martin Pilgram in his provisions, and also from me when I first read this charter.  The charter lists in the text that the CSSA WG will develop certain books, and this change adds a new book, a "concept" Green Book.  However, there is no project added to the Framework for this, and no resources indicated.
http://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Charters/DispForm.aspx?ID=49

I propose this interpretation...

When there is text in a charter saying what books will be developed, this is a "scope" statement only.  It says that the scope of work of the working group is allowed to be broad enough to include the creation of these types of books, or these book titles.  But that only is intended to bound the scope of the working group, not to authorize work to begin on the books.

The WG is authorized to begin work on the document *only after* after a project is also developed and submitted for a CMC poll (including resource estimates and agency agreements).

Therefore, the text of this charter is OK to be approved if the other aspects are OK to the CMC members.  The WG chair is naturally wanting the CMC to confirm that this overall scope is OK before he puts effort into developing the project plan for the document.  If the CMC approves this scope, then he will develop the project plan (schedule, resources) and then submit it to the CMC for approval.

I considered other possibilities...  We could forbid the mention of books in the charter, only in the project.  But that makes it more difficult to understand the intended scope of the WG.  Or, we could absolutely require that no charter scope is approved unless the accompanying projects are approved at the same time.  But that may cause unnecessary work for the WGs in the case that we disagree with the scope.  So I think the interpretation above is best.

Unless we hear some objections from the CMC members, we will explain this interpretation to the WG chairs via the CESG-all mail list.

Also, we still do not have enough votes on this document (below) to pass the charter.  If you have not yet voted, please vote soon.
http://public.ccsds.org/sites/cwe/cmc/polls/default.aspx

Best regards,

   -=- Mike

Mike Kearney
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Subject: [Secretariat] [CMC Alert] Re: New CMC Polls - Reminder Poll Closing August 1st

All,

There have been no votes cast for the poll below.

Thanks,

Brian Oliver
CCSDS IT Tech Support

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Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 11:05 PM
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Subject: New CMC Polls

Dear CMC members,

A new CMC poll has been posted to the CWE:
CMC-P-2012-07-002 Approval of Changes to the 3.07 Cross Support Space Communications Architecture Working Group Charter

The closure date for this poll is 01 August 2012.

This poll can be accessed via the following link:

     http://public.ccsds.org/sites/cwe/cmc/polls/default.aspx

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