[Secretariat] [CMC] RE: RE : Coordination between CCSDS and ECSS

Thu Mar 6 05:28:35 EST 2008

Dear Mike,

The draft of the MOU is being distributed to all members of the ECCS Technical Authority and I am waiting for a formal feedback from the ECCS organizations, before answering officcially to you.

My first impression is positive and we are going in the right direction.

the ECSS contact information is hereafter attached.

Thank you for your cooperative attitude with the ECCS organization.

Thien LAM TRONG
ECSS TA Chairman

European Cooperation for Space Standardization (ECSS)
 Mr. Thien LAM TRONG
Chairman of the Technical Authority
CNES 
18, avenue Edouard BELIN 
31401 TOULOUSE Cedex 9
France

Phone: +33 5 61 27 49 07
Fax: +33 5 61 27 40 99
E-mail: Thien.Lam-Trong at cnes.fr

	-----Message d'origine-----
	De : Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01) [mailto:Mike.Kearney at nasa.gov] 
	Envoyé : samedi 23 février 2008 15:15
	À : Lam-Trong Thien; Lam-Trong Thien
	Cc : Benech Jean-Claude; CCSDS Management Council; CCSDS CESG; Luciano Balestra; Durand-Carrier Franck; CCSDS Secretariat
	Objet : RE: [Secretariat] [CMC] RE: RE : Coordination between CCSDS and ECSS

	<Sorry if you are receiving multiple copies of this message, but I have been receiving many reject notices.  I hope this latest version works.> 

	Dear Thien,  

	I'm sorry we have taken too long to get a response back to you on this.  Between polls that had to be restarted and other critical activities in the CCSDS secretariat world, we did not have the chance to wrap up the necessary polls and draft reviews as quickly as we would have liked.   Here is the current status.   

	We had to extend the CMC poll on granting ECSS member status because of some confusion on the poll announcement.  The poll closed Thursday, January 24th.  All 10 members of the CMC voted for a unanimous positive.  We are ready to update our website to document the ECSS Liaison relationship with CCSDS.  Visit our website where we have the Liaison list to see how we generally list the contact information for Liaisons.  http://public.ccsds.org/participation/liaisons.aspx.  Can you please send us the appropriate contact information for how you want the ECSS to be displayed?   We will add the CCSDS point of contact (Nestor Peccia), but we need the ECSS point of contact information from you.     

	Attached you will find a draft of the MOU that has been sent to the CCSDS agencies for review.  We had only a few agencies provide responses, but those responses indicated that the text of the agreement is acceptable.   We are sending it to you, now, so the ECSS can consider it, perhaps submit some redlines for CCSDS to consider.  If it looks like we have agreement, we will then put it to another CMC poll to approve the MOU from the CMC side.   

	Our next CMC meeting is in Tsukuba, Japan in June.  But we don't need to wait for another meeting to complete this.  Review this draft in ECSS and when you respond to us, we can work it within the CMC without waiting for a meeting.   

	As you recall, CCSDS and ECSS agreed that the primary mechanism for ECSS to provide inputs to actual CCSDS documents will be the normal CCSDS RID reviews that are conducted from the "review documents" tab on www.ccsds.org <http://www.ccsds.org> .  We will make sure that ECSS is aware when a document is out for agency review.  

	We look forward to a positive working relationship with ECSS.  

	   -=- Mike

	Mike Kearney

	CCSDS Management Council Chairman

	CCSDS General Secretary

	NASA MSFC EO-01

	256-544-2029

	From: secretariat-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:secretariat-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01)
	Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:39 PM
	To: Lam-Trong Thien; Lam-Trong Thien; Luciano Balestra; Durand-Carrier Franck
	Cc: Benech Jean-Claude; CCSDS Management Council; Nestor.Peccia at esa.int
	Subject: [Secretariat] [CMC] RE: RE : Coordination between CCSDS and ECSS

	Dear Thien,  

	Sorry for my delayed response on this...  we've had business trips and holidays over here, but we're getting engaged again.   

	We're composing the CMC poll, and it will be out shortly, to admit ECSS as a liaison organization.  Also, the draft agreement is being circulated.  We will be back with you on this when we have some results.   

	Best regards,

	   -=- Mike

	Mike Kearney

	NASA MSFC EO-01

	256-544-2029

	From: Lam-Trong Thien [mailto:thien.lam-trong at cnes.fr] 
	Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:03 AM
	To: Lam-Trong Thien; Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01); Luciano Balestra; Durand-Carrier Franck
	Cc: Benech Jean-Claude; CCSDS Management Council; Nestor.Peccia at esa.int
	Subject: RE : Coordination between CCSDS and ECSS

	Dear Mike,

	I forgot an important point: for any courrier to ECCS, please take care to provide the ECCS Executive Secretary (Luciano Balestra) with a copy.

	Thanks a lot,

	Thien

		-----Message d'origine-----
		De : Lam-Trong Thien 
		Envoyé : mercredi 7 novembre 2007 09:30
		À : 'Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01)'; Luciano Balestra; Durand-Carrier Franck
		Cc : Benech Jean-Claude; CCSDS Management Council; Nestor.Peccia at esa.int
		Objet : RE : Coordination between CCSDS and ECSS

		Dear Mike,

		We (ECSS) agree with your summarized minutes and you can use my name (TA Chair) as the ECCS contact point. So, you can proceed with the CMC poll on this basis.

		Best regards,

		Thien LAM TRONG

		ECCS Technical Authority Chairman

			-----Message d'origine-----
			De : Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01) [mailto:Mike.Kearney at nasa.gov] 
			Envoyé : mercredi 31 octobre 2007 19:05
			À : Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01); Lam-Trong Thien; Luciano Balestra; Durand-Carrier Franck
			Cc : Benech Jean-Claude; CCSDS Management Council; Nestor.Peccia at esa.int
			Objet : RE: Coordination between CCSDS and ECSS

			ECSS colleagues:  I am still holding back from issuing a CCSDS poll to admit ECSS as a liaison organization, until I hear back from you that you concur with the actions that I outlined below.  As I described in my note below.   

			Is there a problem that is holding up your response?   

			   -=- Mike

			Mike Kearney

			NASA MSFC EO-01

			256-544-2029

			From: Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01) 
			Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 3:20 PM
			To: Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01); 'Lam-Trong Thien'; 'Luciano Balestra'; 'Durand-Carrier Franck'
			Cc: 'Benech Jean-Claude'; 'CCSDS Management Council'; 'Nestor.Peccia at esa.int'
			Subject: RE: Coordination between CCSDS and ECSS

			I have had two comments from CMC members to enhance my note, sent previously.  

			First is that the volunteer to draft the first version was our BNSC representative, not an ESA representative.  I meant to say that it was from one of the European agencies , not specifically ESA.   

			The second one is that we should identify our Liaison points-of-contact on both sides.  From the CCSDS side, the CMC has assigned this for now to Nestor Peccia, CESG co-chair.  From the ECSS presentation I think said it would be the TA.  Should we use your name, Thien?  If so, then after the CMC poll, we would put your name as the contact on the CCSDS Liaisons web page.  http://public.ccsds.org/participation/liaisons.aspx <http://public.ccsds.org/participation/liaisons.aspx> 

			I would also like confirmation from ECSS that you agree to the below points before CCSDS proceeds with the CMC poll.  

			Best regards,

			   -=- Mike

			Mike Kearney

			Chairman and General Secretary, CCSDS Management Council

			NASA MSFC EO-01

			256-544-2029

			From: Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01) 
			Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:01 PM
			To: 'Lam-Trong Thien'; 'Luciano Balestra'; 'Durand-Carrier Franck'
			Cc: Benech Jean-Claude; CCSDS Management Council
			Subject: Coordination between CCSDS and ECSS

			Dear Mr. Lam-Trong and ECSS colleagues,

			Thank you for taking the time to address the joint meeting of the CCSDS Engineering Steering Group and Management Council on 9 October in Darmstadt.

			Your presentations provided a good deal of information on the current state of ECSS and a proposal for future collaboration. We discussed them further in the management council meeting the next day.  The notable results are:  

			·         We noted that like all others, ECSS was already able to submit comments and RIDs for CCSDS documents under review.  

			·         We noted that there were other standards organizations with which we had liaison relationships, and we agreed that ECSS should also become a liaison.  We will start the process with a CMC poll immediately.  

			·         We agreed that it would be useful to have a special liaison statement with ECSS that address the goal of avoiding duplication.

			·         One of our ESA representatives on the CCSDS Management Council agreed to provide a first draft of that statement.

			·         We will plan to iterate it with you, as you recommended in your presentation.  

			·         We hope that we will have a generally agreed upon document for discussion at your 11 December ECSS SB meeting.

			I believe that this essentially meets the intent of the ECSS proposals in your presentation.   Thank you for taking the initiative to make the presentation to the CMC.  Please feel free to contact me with any questions or comments.

			   -=- Mike

			Mike Kearney

			Chairman and General Secretary, CCSDS Management Council

			NASA MSFC EO-01

			+1-256-544-2029

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