[Secretariat] [CMC] Draft MOU between CCSDS and ECSS

[Jean-Francois.Kaufeler at esa.int]

Dear Allan,
I believe the liaison statement should not address specifically the ECSS 
requirements on the quality of standards but rather on the way we will 
interact with them and with which objectives. Any ECSS concern on the 
quality of standards should be addressed / relayed through the European 
membership of CCSDS. CNES, DLR, ASI, BNSC and ESA are more than welcome to 
reflect these concerns in their RIDs, which by the way should be 
harmonised by a mechanism being presently discussed within ECSS.
Regards, JFK





"Allan, PM (Peter)" <P.M.Allan at rl.ac.uk> 
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15.01.2008 10:30

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RE: [Secretariat] [CMC] Draft MOU between CCSDS and ECSS






Mike,
 
Firstly a comment on the two documents attached. They print off 
identically apart from my query about the PoC. From your comments it seems 
that you meant the "NASA comments MARKED" version to have the comments 
visible. People need to change the presentation from "Final" to "Final 
Showing Markup" to see the comments.
 
From the changes that have been made, it seems that my original draft 
veered too much to the ECSS position and I agree that the current draft is 
better. However, I think the changes highlight the fact that we do 
generate standards that we expect to be tailored and ECSS are less happy 
with that. I can see that being an issue in discussions with ECSS. One 
point I am unsure about is whether a mission that uses ECSS standards 
would expect to have the tailoring done by the central project and then 
let contracts on the basis of the tailored standard, or would expect the 
contractor to do the tailoring. I don't see that necessarily affecting the 
document directly, but it helps us to understand the ECSS position.
 
Can others comment on that?
 
Peter
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Dr. Peter M. Allan 
Head, Space Data Division 
Space Science and Technology Department 
Science and Technology Facilities Council 
Rutherford Appleton Laboratory 
Harwell Science and Innovation Campus 
Didcot 
Oxfordshire OX11 0QX 
England 
e-mail: p.m.allan at rl.ac.uk 
Tel: +44 (1235) 445723       fax: +44 (1235) 446667 

From: cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] 
On Behalf Of Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01)
Sent: 14 January 2008 19:54
To: CCSDS Management Council
Cc: Nestor.Peccia at esa.int
Subject: FW: [Secretariat] [CMC] Draft MOU between CCSDS and ECSS

CMC colleagues:  We have had some delays on the ECSS activity for a number 
of reasons.  I am trying to pick it up and get it moving along again. 
 
As you know from the activity of last week, the CMC poll to admit ECSS as 
a Liaison organization was extended due to confusion over the announcement 
for the poll.  We expect the poll to be approved on Jan 24th. 
 
Peter's draft of the MOU was sent out on October 31, and although things 
seemed quiet, NASA has been working with it.  I have attached two versions 
with NASA-proposed changes.  One has the NASA comments MARKED, but because 
of the changes it is difficult to read.  So I have also included a version 
with the NASA comments INCORPORATED, which is easier to read. 
 
Our critical comments were related to the position that CCSDS still wants 
to put out “tailorable” documents, and we do not want to create special 
products specifically for ECSS coordination.  We believe that the 
coordination with ECSS should be largely met with existing processes. (One 
exception:  We still need a good system for announcing new work items to 
ECSS, SC14 and others).   We have added comments which will hopefully 
explain our proposed changes.   And since all known responses agreed with 
Peter’s question about the CESG being the POC, I removed the red question 
from the draft. 
 
As I understand our plan forward, we do not intend to need a CMC poll 
before delivering a draft to ECSS.  After ECSS responds that they agree 
with a draft, we will then approve it through a CMC poll. 
 
Therefore, unless someone responds with some issues, this is the plan 
forward: 
·         (Within a few days) I will write a short status note to ECSS
·         (Several weeks) CMC settles on a proposed draft to send to ECSS
·         (Feb) We send the plan to ECSS
·         (TBD) ECSS responds and we are “go” to poll
·         (TBD) CMC votes on a poll for the ECSS liaison statement
·         (June) Further issues or coordination can be taken up at the CMC 
meeting in Japan. 
 
So, please let us know if you have any concerns or suggestions for 
improvement to the draft. 
 
Many thanks to Peter Allen for getting us started with such a thorough 
draft of the statement. 
 
   -=- Mike
 
Mike Kearney
NASA MSFC EO-01
256-544-2029
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: secretariat-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org 
[mailto:secretariat-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Allan, PM 
(Peter)
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:40 AM
To: CCSDS Management Council
Subject: [Secretariat] [CMC] Draft MOU between CCSDS and ECSS
 
Attached is my attempt at writing an MOU between CCSDS and ECSS. I have 
taken the earlier draft MOU and rewritten sections 2, 3 and 4 to reflect 
the discussion we had in Darmstadt.
 
I am not really sure we need all of section 1, after all, we both know who 
we are, but it was there, so I left it in for now.
 
There is one point I am unsure about, so I have put a question in red in 
the body of the text.
 
Comments please.
 
Peter
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Dr. Peter M. Allan
Head, Space Data Division
Space Science and Technology Department
Science and Technology Facilities Council Rutherford Appleton Laboratory 
Harwell Science and Innovation Campus Didcot Oxfordshire OX11 0QX England
 
e-mail: p.m.allan at rl.ac.uk
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