[CMC] ODM and SC14 forward action

Thu Mar 1 07:23:37 EST 2007

Mike,

You are right. Thank you. I just wanted to express it also directly 
to the CMC so that they can learn on my personal understanding 
on the issue. Should any of them have any further issue, please, 
let us know.

Best regards,

Eduardo
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01) 
  To: Eduardo W. Bergamini 
  Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 12:16 AM
  Subject: RE: [CMC] ODM and SC14 forward action

  I already knew that you planned that, Eduardo.  But since Jean-Marc and Jean-Francois wanted to point that out explicitly, I sent that message so they would feel that we responded to them.  Thanks,  

     -=- Mike

  Mike Kearney

  NASA MSFC EO-01

  256-544-2029

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  From: Eduardo W. Bergamini [mailto:e.w.bergamini at uol.com.br] 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:00 AM
  To: Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01)
  Cc: cmc at mailman.ccsds.org
  Subject: Re: [CMC] ODM and SC14 forward action

  Mike,

  As I have already expressed to you previously, yes, it is

  my firm understanding that CCSDS is expecting that it may 

  become and accepted by the involved parties, as an explicit 

  part of the process, that CCSDS reserves to itself the right to 

  publish as an open document the new ODM related BB, as it 

  has been accomplished for all other CCSDS BBs which have 

  been regularly flowing for subsequent publication in the ISO 

  domain, under the cover sheet process. 

  Hope this observation confirms your pertinent mentioning, in 

  the attached message. If not, please, let me know.

  Best regards,

  Eduardo 

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  ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01) 

    To: CCSDS Management Council 

    Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:29 AM

    Subject: RE: [CMC] ODM and SC14 forward action

    Yes, for comments from both Jean-Francois and Jean-Marc, there is no doubt that the document will be distributed for free from the CCSDS site.  When the minutes said that the document would be published as a CCSDS blue book (prior to ISO processing), that includes all standard CCSDS processing, including posting on the website for free distribution.  

    Neil, you have requested comments to the CMC minutes by 9 March.  Can you make the update to that paragraph to indicate that the document would be published as a "CCSDS Blue Book, (including free distribution from the CCSDS website)."  Or make some more elegant change that accomplishes the same intent?    

    Eduardo, when you discuss the process with Mr. Abrams of ISO, it would be good for you to remind him that free distribution of the CCSDS document (prior to the ISO cover page) is part of the standard CCSDS process, and it will be followed here as well.   

       -=- Mike

    Mike Kearney

    NASA MSFC EO-01

    256-544-2029

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    From: Jean-Francois.Kaufeler at esa.int [mailto:Jean-Francois.Kaufeler at esa.int] 
    Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:20 AM
    To: Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01)
    Cc: CCSDS Management Council; cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org
    Subject: Re: [CMC] ODM and SC14 forward action

    Mike, 
    Yes, it is what we said and it has my support. I also concur with Jean-Marc Soula's remark that at the end the document should be accessible free of charge. 
    In a super nutshell!: there should be only a single document (everybody agreed that there were no technical for not doing so), ISO SC14 could have the last word (and cover page) and because originated from CCSDS it would be available from the CCSDS Web page. 
    Best regards, JFK 

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               [CMC] ODM and SC14 forward action

    Dear CMC members:

    With respect to the Navigation WG ODM document, and the issue with the potentially competing TC20/SC14 standard, we want to confirm that the actions that we are taking are in line with the opinions and position expressed at the CMC and SC13 meeting in Colorado Springs.  

    If you do NOT respond to this note by 05 March 2007, we will assume that the direction described below is OK.  It is important that Mr. Bergamini and Mr. Berry can press forward to work the issue of document processing with ISO and SC14.  They will proceed in this direction, which we agreed to in Colorado Springs.  

    As a refresher, here is the paragraph from the draft CCSDS CMC minutes (not yet approved, but soon to be distributed to you).  

    "Status of Navigation WG ODM interface with TC20/SC14 - Mr. Nestor Peccia reported that Mr. Dave Berry will attend the next ISO TC20/SC14 meeting.  There are no technical issues, but control issues need to be resolved concerning the possible publication of competing ISO standards for space navigation.  It was suggested that the ODM document could be submitted to ISO via TC20/SC14.  Other compromises were also discussed.  The CMC position was that the CCSDS-originated document from the Navigation WG must be released as an updated CCSDS Blue Book,  that it must be submitted through the ISO system using the ISO "cover sheet method", and that there should not be a competing document from TC20/SC14.  The control issue is less critical, and the CMC would generally agree to a process that gave SC14 some control over the ISO document numbering and the ISO approval cycle.  It is expected that the control issue will be worked by the WG leads and by the SC13 and SC14 chairmen, and it will be resolved at the next ISO TC20/SC14 meeting in 2007 May."

    In a nutshell, the CCSDS position is that the ODM document must be published as an updated Blue Book and then forwarded to ISO for publication as an International Standard using the cover-sheet method, but it is acceptable to CCSDS if the ISO document number and the ISO review process are both defined by SC14. 

    As a result of that position on this issue, Mr. Berry will work with the SC14 working group, and Mr. Bergamini will work with the ISO General Secretariat to resolve the control issue to the satisfaction of both organizations.  Note that the SC14 meeting is coming up soon, so any issues with this approach must be raised very quickly. 

    If you concur, no response needed.  Thanks very much, 

       -=- Mike 

    Mike Kearney 
    Acting CCSDS General Secretariat 
    NASA MSFC EO-01 
    256-544-2029 
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