[CMC] RE : RF & Modulation meeting in Pasadena
Soula Jean-Marc
Jean-Marc.Soula at cnes.fr
Thu Oct 14 09:03:50 EDT 2004
Dear Mr Gerner
Thank you very much for your two messages hereafter that clarify most of the misunderstandings that we had on the location of the RF&Mod WG meeting. The information we had was slightly different in some respect but it is not necessary to discuss this further now, and we prefer to concentrate on the meeting preparation ...
Based on this and some internal discussions that we have had here, I confirm that we will have one CNES representative in Pasadena next week.
Let's hope they all have a successful meeting and may reach a consensus.
I hope our exchange of emails didn't confuse other agencies and just brought to their attention that some meetings will not be in Toulouse, in case they are interested in the subjects.
Best regards
Jean-Marc SOULA
Chargé de Mission Réseaux de Stations
DCT/OP/CM
CNES - 18, Avenue Edouard BELIN
31401 Toulouse Cedex 9 - France
Tel : (+33) (0)5 612 74647
Fax : (+33) (0)5 612 73135
Email : Jean-Marc.Soula at cnes.fr
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De : Jean-Luc.Gerner at esa.int [mailto:Jean-Luc.Gerner at esa.int]
Envoyé : mercredi 13 octobre 2004 11:19
À : Soula Jean-Marc
Cc : 'Adrian J. Hooke'; cmc at mailman.ccsds.org; Campan Genevieve; Moury Gilles; Lesthievent Guy; Issler Jean-Luc; 'nestor.peccia at esa.int'; Secretariat; Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int
Objet : Re: RF & Modulation meeting in Pasadena
Dear Mr Soula,
Here are the reasons for the choice of Pasadena location for the RFM and RNG WGs meetings of this Fall.
1) There is no need for a joint meeting with other SLS WGs. Discussion on SCCC-8PSK or DVB-S2 8PSK, which needs co-location with the coding and synchronization WG, is foreseen for Spring 2005 when an independent review by CNES and NASA is available as well as an ESA breadboard of SCCC-8PSK.
2) The meeting at Pasadena will make it possible for some European (RF and
Modulation) Delegates to attend sessions of the ITC04 in San Diego, while the ranging WG meets.
3) The meeting at Pasadena will make it possible to NASA ranging and delta-DOR experts not normally participating to CCSDS to attend the ranging WG meeting.
I do believe that we should strive, for budgetary reasons, to synchronise CCSDS meetings whenever possible with other events like international conferences; ITC is a key event for the SLS Area, hence the interest for a Fall meeting in North America while the Spring sessions can be held in Europe. I know that other areas are more interested in SpaceOps which imposes reverse constraints. A dilemna.
best regards
Jean-Luc Gerner
TEC-ETT
Tel: +31 71 565 4473
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Jean-Luc Gerner
To: Soula Jean-Marc <Jean-Marc.Soula at cnes.fr>
13/10/2004 09:46 cc: "'Adrian J. Hooke'" <adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov>, cmc at mailman.ccsds.org,
Campan Genevieve <Genevieve.Campan at cnes.fr>, Moury Gilles <Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>,
Lesthievent Guy <Guy.Lesthievent at cnes.fr>, Issler Jean-Luc
<Jean-Luc.Issler at cnes.fr>, "'nestor.peccia at esa.int'" <nestor.peccia at esa.int>,
Secretariat <Secretariat at ccsds.org>, Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA at ESA
Subject: Re: RF & Modulation meeting in Pasadena(Document link: Jean-Luc Gerner)
Dear Mr Soula,
Indeed these two groups meet in October in Pasadena and this was planned already almost one year ago. Actually, they have been 'out of phase' already at the Spring 2004 meeting for historic reasons which would be a bit long to explain in an email. Anyway they will be back in phase as of Spring 2005. Note however that the CCSDS 'Restructured Organisation and Processes' document leaves it up to WG chairs to decide when and where face-to-face meetings will be held and recommends WG chairs to select their meeting location 'in the vicinity of institutions where a significant staff participation exists', which is the case of NASA/JPL. Upon my request, the chairman of these WGs will be attending the SLS Area meeting planned in Toulouse. Note also that RFM and RNG WGs were never planned to be held in Toulouse this Fall and Enrico Vassallo, the chairman of these WGs, sent warnings to the CCSDS site manager as soon as the agenda for Fall 2004 was published to correct the wrong information. Note also that the room booking I made to you for the SLS Area takes into account the fact that these two WGs will not meet in Toulouse.
Regarding the costs, the situation is balanced since the saving was for European agencies on the Spring 2004 meetings which were held in France when other WGs were held in Montreal. The chairman of these WGs did not mention to me a problem of participation for mission budget reasons of the CNES representative in these groups (Guy Lesthievent). I have planned a joint RFM/C&S/SLP WGs meeting in Toulouse which will review in particular the modulation/coding issues and the outcomes of the WGs on these items. It is the opportunity for a large CNES participation.
I am sorry for the confusion and hope that this mail will clarify the issue.
Please do not hesitate to contact me should you need more information.
Cordialement
Jean-Luc Gerner
TEC-ETT
Tel: +31 71 565 4473
Soula Jean-Marc
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@cnes.fr> <adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov>
cc: Campan Genevieve <Genevieve.Campan at cnes.fr>, Moury Gilles
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Subject: RF & Modulation meeting in Pasadena
Dear all,
it is quite recently, last week in fact, that I discovered that the two WG's on RF&Mod and Ranging in the SLS area will have their meeting in Pasadena and not in Toulouse. Moreover, the dates were advanced by one month ...
This doesn't conform to the information I had on the room requirements and general organization of the meetings in Toulouse (Nov 15-19) for which those groups had been confirmed.
Having checked the registrations, it seems that these WG's will look like NASA - USA meetings with one representative of ESA (chairman), except if late registrations occur from now. On the CNES side, we were planning to have several persons attend the meeting in Toulouse but we have not yet decided if we may send at least one representative in Pasadena, just for budget reasons. I am not sure who are the usual other contributors to these groups (JAXA, DLR, ... ?) and if they were made aware of this change early enough to reschedule to an earlier date ...
As reported by Adrian at the last CMC there is a risk that a consensus is not reached by the RF&Mod WG and I'm not sure that having their meeting with a reduced participation and far away from other groups (and area director ?) will facilitate the consensus, in particular with those who could not attend.
Could you please advise how you anticipate the results of those meetings with, potentially, limited participation (in number of agencies) ? Is it planned to have a complementary session in Toulouse for those who could not join in Pasadena ? Why do these groups meet on opposite ocean sides compared to the others ?
Your quick answers are appreciated
Best regards
Jean-Marc SOULA
Chargé de Mission Réseaux de Stations
DCT/OP/CM
CNES - 18, Avenue Edouard BELIN
31401 Toulouse Cedex 9 - France
Tel : (+33) (0)5 612 74647
Fax : (+33) (0)5 612 73135
Email : Jean-Marc.Soula at cnes.fr
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