[CESG] CESG-P-2021-08-003 Approval to publish CCSDS 141.1-M-1, Atmospheric Characterization and Forecasting for Optical Link Operations (Magenta Book, Issue 1)
CCSDS Secretariat
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net
Fri Dec 3 22:00:55 UTC 2021
Dear CESG Members,
Conditions for approval of CCSDS 141.1-M-1, Atmospheric
Characterization and Forecasting for Optical Link Operations (Magenta
Book, Issue 1) have been disposed to the satisfaction of the AD(s)
who voted to approve with conditions. The Secretariat will now
proceed with CMC polling to authorize publication.
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From: Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 2:38 PM
To: Thomas Gannett; 'Alliss, Randy [US] (SP)'
Cc: 'Edwards, Bernard L. (GSFC-5600)'; 'Braatz, Lena [USA]'; Barkley, Erik J
(US 3970)
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: updated magenta book
Hi Tom and Randy,
I approve of this document, as modified.
I look forward to seeing the XML data exchange Blue Book and suggest that you consult with the MOIMS
Nav WG to see if there are any hints you can get about creating such a document and formatting the
data. They may also have some terms defined that you can leverage and well as guidance in creating
any new ones.
A last comment for the future is that we have created in the SANA a set of registries that can be
leveraged. This includes the: Organization, Contact, and Service Site and Aperture registries. My
assumption is that any Optical Ground Station (OGS) sites that are either created and instrumented
for site evaluation purposes, or are a potential OGS site with instrumentation, or are actual OGS sites
with deployed optical communications capabilities (and instrumentation), are all Service Sites. They
will belong to some agency (or other organization), will have defined services (at least gathering and
delivering data), and will have a defined point of contact. The Registry Management Policy (RMP, CCSDS
131.1-Y-2) provides details on these SANA registries. Within the Nav WG (and CSS Area as well) they are
already starting to populate these registries for other space communications sites (CSS) and for various
kinds of Nav (and D-DOR) data service providers.
I would expect your future Blue Book to reference these registries as they are intended to be used, and
to define a new OGS site role, and possibly a new OGS Data site role as well. Not to scare you off,
this is just an sort of heads up. We can discuss this further as that time nears.
Thanks, Peter
From: Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
Date: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 11:06 AM
To: "'Alliss, Randy [US] (SP)'" <RANDALL.ALLISS at ngc.com>
Cc: Bernie Edwards <bernard.l.edwards at nasa.gov>, Lena Braatz <braatz_lena at bah.com>,
Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>, Erik Barkley <erik.j.barkley at jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: updated magenta book
Peter, Erik: Please indicate via return email that your approval conditions are satisfied. Tom
Logothete, L.L.C.
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net
+1 443 472 0805
From: Alliss, Randy [US] (SP) [mailto:RANDALL.ALLISS at ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 1:55 PM
To: thomas.gannett at tgannett.net
Cc: Edwards, Bernard L. (GSFC-5600); 'Braatz, Lena [USA]'; Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov;
erik.j.barkley at jpl.nasa.gov
Subject: updated magenta book
Hi Tom,
Enclosed please find a copy of the revised magenta book based on Peter's and Eric's inputs.
We should be good to go now.
thanks,
Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 2:04 PM
To: bernard.l.edwards at nasa.gov; Alliss, Randy [US] (SP)
<RANDALL.ALLISS at ngc.com>
Cc: Erik.Barkley at jpl.nasa.gov; Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov
Subject: EXT :Re: CESG-P-2021-08-003 Approval to publish CCSDS 141.1-M-1,
Atmospheric Characterization and Forecasting for Optical Link Operations
(Magenta Book, Issue 1)
Dear Document Rapporteur,
The CESG poll to approve publication of CCSDS 141.1-M-1, Atmospheric
Characterization and Forecasting for Optical Link Operations (Magenta Book,
Issue 1) concluded with conditions. Please negotiate disposition of the
conditions directly with the AD(s) who voted to approve with conditions and
CC the Secretariat on all related correspondence.
CESG E-Poll Identifier: CESG-P-2021-08-003 Approval to publish CCSDS
141.1-M-1, Atmospheric Characterization and Forecasting for Optical Link
Operations (Magenta Book, Issue 1) Results of CESG poll beginning 31 August
2021 and ending 14 September 2021:
Abstain: 0 (0%) Approve Unconditionally: 4
(66.67%) (Merri, Duhaze, Aguilar Sanchez, Wilmot) Approve with Conditions:
2 (33.33%) (Barkley, Shames) Disapprove with Comment: 0 (0%)
CONDITIONS/COMMENTS:
Erik Barkley (Approve with Conditions): General Comment: The book does
a great job identifying the instrumentation needed, the data to be
collected, and use case scenarios.
Questions:
1) Why not make the informative XML schema normative? As CCSDS practice to
address establishment of a capability for atmospheric characterization
suitable for forecasting in support of optical communiation, it seems that
some format for exchanging such characterization and forecasting data is
also needed to completely define the best practice.
2) Alternatively, perhaps the exchange format (XML Schema definition or
equivalent) could be developed as separate CCSDS bluebook and referenced
here? (This would seem to be on par with the NAV WG NDM
recommendation). Or are there some industry standards that could be
utilized here?
Condition: Please address the lack of normative data exchange format.
Peter Shames (Approve with Conditions): As much as I would like to be
able to approve this recommended practice I find it confusing and to be a
somewhat exasperating collection of different styles. It does have aspects
of a recommended / best practice, and it also reads, in that regard, like a
set of requirements. At the same time, it could actually include a
formalized XML spec for interoperably exchanging data, but what is provided
is something that looks like an incomplete example that is non-normative.
Probably a separate document that formalizes this is called for. It could
register these OCS as stations in the Service Site & Aperture registry, but
it does not even mention SANA. Finally, and this is a nit, it talks
exclusively about space to ground communications and seems, thereby, to rule
out ground to space.
Total Respondents: 6
No response was received from the following Area(s):
SIS
SECRETARIAT INTERPRETATION OF RESULTS: Approved with Conditions
PROPOSED SECRETARIAT ACTION: Generate CMC poll after
conditions have been addressed
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Thomas Gannett
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net
+1 443 472 0805
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From: Barkley, Erik J (US 3970) <erik.j.barkley at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 1:30 PM
To: Thomas Gannett; 'Alliss, Randy [US] (SP)'
Cc: 'Edwards, Bernard L. (GSFC-5600)'; 'Braatz, Lena [USA]'; Shames, Peter
M (US 312B)
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: updated magenta book
Categories: Poll Condition Closure
Hello Tom,
The updated magenta book has addressed the condition I levied. I am happy to see that
there will be a forthcoming normative data exchange format. Please consider my
condition as being satisfied and retired.
Best regards,
-Erik
From: Thomas Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 11:07
To: 'Alliss, Randy [US] (SP)' <RANDALL.ALLISS at ngc.com>
Cc: 'Edwards, Bernard L. (GSFC-5600)' <bernard.l.edwards at nasa.gov>; 'Braatz, Lena [USA]'
<braatz_lena at bah.com>; Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>; Barkley, Erik J
(US 3970) <erik.j.barkley at jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: updated magenta book
Peter, Erik: Please indicate via return email that your approval conditions are satisfied. Tom
Logothete, L.L.C.
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net
+1 443 472 0805
From: Alliss, Randy [US] (SP) [mailto:RANDALL.ALLISS at ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 1:55 PM
To: thomas.gannett at tgannett.net
Cc: Edwards, Bernard L. (GSFC-5600); 'Braatz, Lena [USA]'; Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov;
erik.j.barkley at jpl.nasa.gov
Subject: updated magenta book
Hi Tom,
Enclosed please find a copy of the revised magenta book based on Peter's and Eric's inputs.
We should be good to go now.
thanks,
Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 2:04 PM
To: bernard.l.edwards at nasa.gov; Alliss, Randy [US] (SP)
<RANDALL.ALLISS at ngc.com>
Cc: Erik.Barkley at jpl.nasa.gov; Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov
Subject: EXT :Re: CESG-P-2021-08-003 Approval to publish CCSDS 141.1-M-1,
Atmospheric Characterization and Forecasting for Optical Link Operations
(Magenta Book, Issue 1)
Dear Document Rapporteur,
The CESG poll to approve publication of CCSDS 141.1-M-1, Atmospheric
Characterization and Forecasting for Optical Link Operations (Magenta Book,
Issue 1) concluded with conditions. Please negotiate disposition of the
conditions directly with the AD(s) who voted to approve with conditions and
CC the Secretariat on all related correspondence.
CESG E-Poll Identifier: CESG-P-2021-08-003 Approval to publish CCSDS
141.1-M-1, Atmospheric Characterization and Forecasting for Optical Link
Operations (Magenta Book, Issue 1) Results of CESG poll beginning 31 August
2021 and ending 14 September 2021:
Abstain: 0 (0%) Approve Unconditionally: 4
(66.67%) (Merri, Duhaze, Aguilar Sanchez, Wilmot) Approve with Conditions:
2 (33.33%) (Barkley, Shames) Disapprove with Comment: 0 (0%)
CONDITIONS/COMMENTS:
Erik Barkley (Approve with Conditions): General Comment: The book does
a great job identifying the instrumentation needed, the data to be
collected, and use case scenarios.
Questions:
1) Why not make the informative XML schema normative? As CCSDS practice to
address establishment of a capability for atmospheric characterization
suitable for forecasting in support of optical communiation, it seems that
some format for exchanging such characterization and forecasting data is
also needed to completely define the best practice.
2) Alternatively, perhaps the exchange format (XML Schema definition or
equivalent) could be developed as separate CCSDS bluebook and referenced
here? (This would seem to be on par with the NAV WG NDM
recommendation). Or are there some industry standards that could be
utilized here?
Condition: Please address the lack of normative data exchange format.
Peter Shames (Approve with Conditions): As much as I would like to be
able to approve this recommended practice I find it confusing and to be a
somewhat exasperating collection of different styles. It does have aspects
of a recommended / best practice, and it also reads, in that regard, like a
set of requirements. At the same time, it could actually include a
formalized XML spec for interoperably exchanging data, but what is provided
is something that looks like an incomplete example that is non-normative.
Probably a separate document that formalizes this is called for. It could
register these OCS as stations in the Service Site & Aperture registry, but
it does not even mention SANA. Finally, and this is a nit, it talks
exclusively about space to ground communications and seems, thereby, to rule
out ground to space.
Total Respondents: 6
No response was received from the following Area(s):
SIS
SECRETARIAT INTERPRETATION OF RESULTS: Approved with Conditions
PROPOSED SECRETARIAT ACTION: Generate CMC poll after
conditions have been addressed
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Thomas Gannett
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net
+1 443 472 0805
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