[CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE Project for “SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice (Magenta Book)

Wed Dec 5 21:30:31 UTC 2018

Gippo,

Yes.  Thanks.  That is exactly what I had in mind.

Peter

From: Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Date: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 12:21 PM
To: Peter Shames <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: Brian Oliver <brian.oliver at nasa.gov>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>, Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
Subject: Re: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE Project for “SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice (Magenta Book)

Peter
    Do you mean updating the concept paper with this intent?
If yes, I can do that tomorrow.
Regards
Gippo

On: 05 December 2018 17:13, "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote:

Hi Gippo,

Ok.  I'll make a request of the SANA that we create a means of marking Glossary entries as "obsolete" or "deprecated".  That will be reviewed with the SANA Steering Group.

I would just ask that you identify your intent to deal these issues in that project statement, otherwise it looks unfinished.

Thanks, Peter

From: Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int<mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>>
Date: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 2:53 AM
To: Peter Shames <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Cc: Brian Oliver <brian.oliver at nasa.gov<mailto:brian.oliver at nasa.gov>>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>>, Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net<mailto:thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>>
Subject: Re: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE Project for “SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice (Magenta Book)

Peter,
        the ultimate objective is to reduce the definitions in SANA and the intention is to "coordinate with / report to" SANA to accomplish this goal.
It may however happen that not all books are updated at the same time as this would require a very big effort not currently available.
We cannot therefore exclude that for a while SANA ma report the definition from the new Magenta book together with the older definitions in (some of) the other books.
If there is a way for marking some definitions e.g. "obsolete" this will be used as appropriate.

I think at this stage it is important that we all in SLS are aware of the need of coordinating with SANA and we will do that defining details at the right point in time.

Regards

Gian Paolo

From:        "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov>>
To:        "Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int<mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>" <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int<mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>>
Cc:        Brian Oliver <brian.oliver at nasa.gov<mailto:brian.oliver at nasa.gov>>, CCSDS CESG -- <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>>, Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net<mailto:thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>>
Date:        04-12-18 19:29
Subject:        Re: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001  Start of CWE Project for “SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice (Magenta Book)
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Hi Gippo,

Thanks.  This addresses the second item, but it does not appear to address the first item at all.  In the worst case this effort could actually result in adding even more distinct definitions to the SANA Glossary, which, I hope you will agree, moves us in the wrong direction.  I think your team needs to address how you propose to handle this.  Will the final new agreed definitions all be marked as "preliminary", or will they be marked as "official"?  Or will you propose that the obsoleted definitions be marked as "obsolete" and left until the docs that created them are updated?

Treating old definitions as "obsolete" or "deprecated" is the moral equivalent of how we treat Silver Books, they are not found in the main search paths, but you can still find them.  I think you need to identify some way to handle this and review it with the SSG and the SNA.

Thanks, Peter

From: Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int<mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>>
Date: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 7:01 AM
To: Peter Shames <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Cc: Brian Oliver <brian.oliver at nasa.gov<mailto:brian.oliver at nasa.gov>>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>>, Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net<mailto:thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>>
Subject: Re: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE Project for “SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice (Magenta Book)

Dear Peter,
       the proposal and the concept paper are limited to the work to be done on that book.
However the items you mention are not neglected as already in Berlin the SLS Area agreed to look into this issues deferring however the implementation "as appropriate" to the point in time the other documents can be edited.
This is not meaning that we do nothing in the meanwhile. Actually e-mail discussion were already triggered and there was also a presentation (and discussion) in the SLP WG about the "Glossary Issue for SLS-SLP Global Virtual Channel Identifier (GVCID)".

Clearly during the work duplications and discrepant definitions will have to be identified to do the work.
Once an agreement is reached for the definition to go into the new magenta book, the CCSDS Editor will be informed to collect the changes for other books (to be done when possible) and SANA will be informed accordingly.

I hope this clarifies your doubts and Brian can proceed with the CMC Poll.

Regards

Gippo

From:        "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov>>
To:        "Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int<mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>" <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int<mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>>, "Brian Oliver" <brian.oliver at nasa.gov<mailto:brian.oliver at nasa.gov>>
Cc:        Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net<mailto:thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>>, CCSDS CESG -- <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>>
Date:        03-12-18 17:19
Subject:        Re: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001  Start of CWE Project for “SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice (Magenta Book)

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Hi Gippo,

From the SEA and SANA points of view I am really glad to see that you are tackling this topic.  If it is done right it will surely be a net benefit to all.

Along the lines of "if it is done right", what I did not see in this proposal is any work relating to these two topics:

a.        Removing duplicate definitions from the SANA Glossary so that we just have one official set

b.        A plan to normalize the definitions in all the published standards so that we really have only one set of terms in use across the CCSDS standards and the SANA

It's not clear that either of these "clean up" tasks are part of the proposal.  Are they?

Thanks, Peter

From: CESG <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org>> on behalf of Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int<mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>>
Date: Monday, December 3, 2018 at 1:57 AM
To: Brian Oliver <brian.oliver at nasa.gov<mailto:brian.oliver at nasa.gov>>
Cc: Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net<mailto:thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>>
Subject: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE Project for “SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice (Magenta Book)

Dear Brian,
    can you please start at your earliest convenience the related CMC Poll for the attached SLS Resolution?

CESG is copied for information

Best regards to you all

Gian Paolo

PS Relevant Concept Paper is also attached as a stand alone document and embedded in the resolution.

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