[CESG] [Secretariat] Lack of a standardised approach for CCSDS Document Number

Tue Sep 13 17:41:20 UTC 2016

Brian/Laura: Is it possible to put a question mark (or an “i” or something) next to problematic project-creation fields, with a link to the attached page? –Tom

Thomas Gannett

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From: Secretariat [mailto:secretariat-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Scott, Keith L.
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 12:08 PM
To: Shames, Peter M (312B); Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int
Cc: CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec(cesg at mailman.ccsds.org)
Subject: Re: [Secretariat] [CESG] Lack of a standardised approach for CCSDS Document Number

I concur with Nestor / Gian-Paolo in principle, but with Peter in practice.  We SHOULD normalize these, but I doubt it’s an issue affecting operations / daily work.

I have just confirmed that I can edit entries that aren’t SIS.  How about somebody who cares just fix them (or ask the secretariat to do it)?  Maybe its possible to implement a restriction on data format in SharePoint to keep it from happening in the future.

                                --keith

From: "cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org" <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Date: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 12:00 PM
To: Gian Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Cc: CCSDS Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: Re: [CESG] Lack of a standardised approach for CCSDS Document Number

And I ask, just how much real value does this add to our standards?

Peter

From: Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Date: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 8:20 AM
To: Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>, CESG <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org>, Nestor Peccia <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>, CCSDS Secretariat <Secretariat at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: Re: [CESG] Lack of a standardised approach for CCSDS Document Number

Peter, 
        the issue is much simpler and clearly visible if you access the link. 
Otherwise just look at the snapshot. 
BTW, Delta DOR WG is fully OK   :o) 
Regards 

Gian Paolo 

From:        "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov> 
To:        "Nestor.Peccia at esa.int" <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>, "Secretariat" <Secretariat at mailman.ccsds.org>, "CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec(cesg at mailman.ccsds.org)" <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org> 
Date:        13/09/2016 17:13 
Subject:        Re: [CESG] Lack of a standardised approach for CCSDS Document Number 
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Nestor, 

Since we have document numbering rules already defined in the CCSDS Org & Proc (A02x0), and these clearly define the approach for numbering published standards I assume that this comment is relevant only for DRAFT documents that are stored as working materials in the CWE.  To be frank, as long as there is some sort of identifying number and name that makes sense on these DRAFT documents, and some sort of version tracking, I really do not think we should care too much about how these drafts are named.  They are internal work products of the organization. 

I think maybe we are trying to polish the cannonball here.  As a standards organization we should be paying more attention to the quality of what goes out the door than to these minutiae of how the WGs name their working products. 

Regards, Peter 

From: CESG <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Nestor Peccia <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>
Date: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 7:50 AM
To: CCSDS Secretariat <Secretariat at mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: [CESG] Lack of a standardised approach for CCSDS Document Number 

Dear all, 

I was made aware by an AD (guess whom?) of the different ways a Doc number is defined in the CWE 

If you look at  <http://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/AllItems.aspx> http://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/AllItems.aspx 

*	number only (i.e. the correct form) 
*	number with CCSDS in front 
*	number with indication of color and issue (for the color there is a dedicated field, Issue is normally/often added to the project title) 
*	number with other field and comments

We can say of ourselves, as an standard organization, "the shoemaker's son always goes barefoot" 

Can we do anything about this ? 

ciao 
nestor 
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