[CESG] Draft of revised Org & Proc Concept paper section / lifetime of only nine months? etc

Wed Nov 6 06:10:32 EST 2013

Peter,
        if the common agreement is to keep in the documents errors just 
because they were not pinked, this would be fine for me as long as I am 
minority.
It is a matter of fact that I am not aware of anybody ever asking (and 
obtaining) a reference number and an expiration date. Should we start 
doing it now?
For the Publication Manual the present sentence is vague enough to be 
useless/painless whatever we do.

About  "interested parties", my proposal - sorry if this was unclear - was 
to mention either CESG or CESG-all mailing lists. Just to be less vague.

I mentioned that my comments were not exahustive :o)
However your input is generally fine for me.
The initial list of topics would be ok.
About Erik additions:
- the Purpose should be inside the paper by default and I do not see the 
need for highlighting this in a dedicated bullet.
- the "Anticipated agency adoption of any proposed standards and their 
dependencies" could be merged in a previous bullet to state e.g. <
Requirements of prospective missions and adoption impact>
- the same for "        Operational scenarios related to any proposed 
standards to e.g. <Clear statement of expected benefits from what is being 
proposed and expected application scenarios>"
However no real issues for them. just go ahead as the majority prefers.

The text "the concept paper for a BoF " should better be "the concept 
paper produced by a BoF " to make clearer this is a BOF output and not a 
BOF input.

I find the sentence below somehow convoluted with respect to the actual 
way we work. I think this is also confirmed by Erik's comment.
"When a CCSDS concept paper has been produced by a BOF as part of its work 
in developing a WG charter, it must be updated as necessary (so that it 
has active status), and it must be submitted to the CESG as part of the WG 
approval process."
I would rather try to reflect that:
1) the concept paper produced by a BOF is submitted to CESG and CMC for WG 
approval
2) IF the WG is NOT approved, the concept paper will have to be updated 
for a newer submission
3) IF the WG is approved, the concept paper is archived (e.g. in CESG/CMC 
polls) and then the charter goes alive with changes done when/as required 
with new concept paper for e.g. adding new projects. 
Item #3 seems to be part of the following sentence, so it seems that the 
unclear sentence should state explicitly that it only applies to a 
rejected WG creation..
I leave wording to you/Tom.

Best ergards

Gipppo

From:
"Shames, Peter M (312G)" <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
To:
"Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int" <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Cc:
Tom Gannett <tomg at aiaa.org>, "Nestor.Peccia at esa.int" 
<Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>, CESG -- CCSDS-Engineering Steering Group 
<cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Date:
05/11/2013 23:04
Subject:
Re: [CESG] Draft of revised Org & Proc Concept paper section /  lifetime 
of only nine months? etc
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Hi Gippo,

Most of what you are pointing at has been in this document for quite a 
number of years now.  I suggest, in the same manner as Pink Sheet reviews, 
that we limit our comments and analysis to just those sections that are 
proposed for change.  If we are really going to do an extensive revision 
of this document we can deal with anything else then.

Also, I would point out that all of the specific cases you mentioned for 
"announcement of availability" are already covered by "interested 
parties", without getting into specifics.  Those specifics, by themselves, 
may be too limiting.

The file that recommends changes to the A20x1 text specifically deals with 
the proposed contents of the Concept Paper.  You did not mention this, 
which was the purpose of this "Pink Sheet" revision, so I assume by your 
silence on this matter that you agree with what was proposed.  Is that the 
case?

Tom will have to address any disconnects between what is documented in 
A02x1 and the actual processes that are carried out re assignment of 
numbers . 

Regards, Peter

From: Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Date: Tuesday, November 5, 2013 12:00 PM
To: Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: Tom Gannett <tomg at aiaa.org>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG 
Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>, Nestor Peccia <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>
Subject: Re: [CESG] Draft of revised Org & Proc Concept paper section / 
lifetime of only nine months? etc

Peter (but not only :o), 
        Do we really need <lifetime of only nine months>?

Moreover, was this <The Secretariat will then assign the concept paper a 
reference number and a date of expiration> ever done?

<will announce its availability to one or more mailing lists of interested 
parties>
who are the interested parties? 
I think they could be CESG and affected WGs.
For WGs we may have the originator WG (that would know about it) or the WG 
that shall do the work (if the paper comes from external source) or the 
WGs impacted by the work even if this is done in another WG.
All in all, would it be simpler to limit distribution to CESG mailing list 
or better to CESG-all?

<All that is necessary is to observe some basic formatting rules that are 
established by the Secretariat in the CCSDS Publications Manual>
Really? 
The word "concept" is not found in that manual.....

More comments may follow if I find more than two minutes to dedicate to 
your input  :o)

Regards 

Gippo 

From: 
"Shames, Peter M (312G)" <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
To: 
CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Cc: 
Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
Date: 
03/11/2013 01:09 
Subject: 
[CESG] Draft of revised Org & Proc Concept paper section
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Dear CESG Colleagues, 
Attached is a draft of the proposed revisions to CCSDS Org & Proc concept 
paper section, Annex B1.  This update is to be inserted along with a 
reference to Annex B1 in Sections 2.3.4 and 6.1.1.  This file contains the 
original text of Section B1, with the proposed changes shown using Track 
Changes so that you can see what has been modified.  The primary changes 
consist of the following:
1.        Clarification of there being two general types of concept 
papers, one for WG formation and the second for specific documents or 
topics
2.        Addition of a bulletized list of topics common to both types
3.        Addition of an added bulletized list of topics specifically for 
BoF Concept Papers
I will note that Gippo and Gilles should recognize some of their own words 
in these two sets of topics, since they are derived, in part, from their 
inputs to the Org & Procs doc and from their requests for specific topics 
to be addressed in the Next Generation Space Link Protocol concept paper.  
I believe, as revised, that these are suitable for use in all potential 
future standards and WG concept papers.

Your feedback is solicited. 

Best regards, Peter 

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