[CESG] RE: Russian Concept Paper: "Formation of the generalized data, using data which are received down diverse channels"

[Hooke, Adrian J (9000)]

Peter: to get things off the diem could you please set up the meeting so that the Russians  have a forum? It is unlikely that this item would land in your Area - or any other - but we need someone to  kick things off.

///adrian

From: Shames, Peter M (313B)
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 7:13 AM
To: Moury Gilles; Nestor Peccia; Hooke, Adrian J (9000); CESG
Subject: Re: [CESG] RE: Russian Concept Paper: "Formation of the generalized data, using data which are received down diverse channels"

Unless something radical has changed in what the FSA is proposing it appears that this does not really cross all areas but is instead a mission operations issue of data combining.  Have we actually heard anything from them that suggests that they are using different modulation, coding, link, or other baseband data processing?  Do they need anything other than normal SLE data or something like D-DOR style raw data?

If none of this is the case then I think the right home for this work is MOIMS.  If you wish I can call the meeting, but I do not believe that this is really as cross cutting an issue as it might appear to be.

Regards, Peter



From: Gilles Moury <Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr<mailto:Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>>
Date: Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:10 AM
To: Adrian Hooke <Adrian.J.Hooke at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:Adrian.J.Hooke at jpl.nasa.gov>>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>>
Subject: RE: [CESG] RE: Russian Concept Paper: "Formation of the generalized data, using data which are received down diverse channels"

Adrian,

I agree with your proposal. A cross-area meeting + translated patent would help us understand whether there are any cross-support scenarios for the proposed technique.

Gilles

Gilles MOURY
CNES Toulouse
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Objet : [CESG] RE: Russian Concept Paper: "Formation of the generalized data, using data which are received down diverse channels"

So has anyone got a good concept for how we handle these guys in Cleveland? The work seems to cross pretty much all of the Areas except for SOIS and SIS. My preference would be to temporarily home it in SEA and for Peter to call a special cross-Area meeting at which we let Vorontsov deliver his goods; we should try to hold it to an hour. Any better thoughts?

///adrian




Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:27 PM
To: mutafyan
Cc: Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01); Hooke, Adrian J (9000)
Subject: RE: Concept Paper: "Formation of the generalized data, using data which are received down diverse channels"

Dear Mr. Barannikov: thank you for your reminder about Dr. Vorontsov's message. At this point I we have not decided where the "home" of this proposed activity is in CCSDS, since it seems to cross 4 of the 6 CCSDS technical Areas. However, we will work that out inside CCSDS and will set up a meeting where Dr. Vorontsov can present his proposal again in Cleveland.

One lingering issue is the status of the Patent that is referenced in the proposal. Are you willing to sign the ISO release forms? Also, we have not yet received an English translation of the patent itself, which would help us further.

Best regards
Adrian Hooke

Adrian J. Hooke
Chairman, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group
From: mutafyan [mailto:mutafyan at tsniimash.ru]<mailto:[mailto:mutafyan at tsniimash.ru]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 5:29 AM
To: Hooke, Adrian J (9000)
Cc: Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01)
Subject: RE: Concept Paper: "Formation of the generalized data, using data which are received down diverse channels"

Good day,
I re-send you the letter of Mr. Vorontsov.

"""Dear Mr. Hooke
I'm glad our joint collaboration of extension of the Concept Paper, concerning the formation of the generalized data, which I have developed.
I would like to ask you to support your previous decision about implementation of this work in the SLS Area, WG RFM. I suppose this decision is the most successful. There is nothing change from the point of financing as compared with new decision. The offered methods, algorithms, technologies are concerned to the radio links (including space radio links too). There are good perspectives of interconnecting of methods, which other Working Groups of SLS Area develop and I offer. In particularly, the interconnecting of modulation methods, antinoise coding, the quality improvement of synchronization (the methods of SLS Area). Such decision would allow working more effectively in collaboration with other CCSDS WGs, SLS Area and CCSDS as a whole.
In Darmstadt I had a meeting with Mr. Calzolari about our further joint work, listened to his wishes and to the next expected meeting in Cleveland I have done some work concerning adaptation of my developments.
In your letter you wrote that the Diverse Channels approach may be satisfied by creating some extensions to other CCSDS recommendations. That means that you understand technical side of this problem as well as I understand it.
Concerning the question about the color of the 1st publication I totally trust your experience (that's my personal point of view).

Best regards,
Valery Vorontsov"""


Best regards,
Dmitry Barannikov.

From: Hooke, Adrian J (9000) [mailto:adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov]<mailto:[mailto:adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov]>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 11:03 PM
To: mutafyan
Cc: Nestor.Peccia at esa.int<mailto:Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>; Hooke, Adrian J (9000)
Subject: RE: Concept Paper: "Formation of the generalized data, using data which are received down diverse channels"

Dear Mr. Barannikov: thank you very much for the Concept Paper. We will now get the CCSDS Area Directors to review the document and to propose how to move forward.

>From my personal reading of the Concept Paper, it seems to me to be closely aligned with the Delta-DOR activity and perhaps some of the new Cross Support Transfer Services which deal with raw data transfer. So it is possible that the Diverse Channels approach may be satisfied by creating some  extensions to other CCSDS recommendations. Those extensions would  contain all of the semantic information required to do the processing of Diversity data. I would therefor strongly suggest that your people should get involved with the D-DOR activity and achieve a good understanding of its scope: http://cwe.ccsds.org/sea/default.aspx#_SEA-D-DOR

I am also glad to note that you are willing to support this activity in terms of its financial and human resources. If we can agree to an approach that uses existing CCSDS capabilities (e.g., Delta-DOR) then it should be much simpler and cheaper than starting with a whole new development. Also, since this is likely to be an activity that is primarily driven by the Russian side,  it may be best to initially target an "Orange Book" (Experimental) as the initial deliverable.

Best regards
Adrian
Adrian J. Hooke
Chairman, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group


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