[Cesg-all] Request to chheck your WG mailing list

Mon Mar 27 13:10:38 UTC 2017

Nestor

Unfortunately, I didn't receive your original email (probably ended up in my corporate SPAM filter that I no longer have access to but I've raised the issue with the IT folks).

I agree with John - I really don't understand the issue or the problem?  A year or so ago, the Security WG pruned its mailing list mostly because we had people on the list who had not participated in a long time.  We simply asked the list members to re-justify their membership on the list.  Those who did not respond were removed.  Some asked us to remove them.  Others wanted to remain "plugged in" and stay on the list for informative purposes.  Hence we were able to prune the list by about 1/3.

Since having additional names on a mailing list is not a cost issue or a resource issue, why worry about this other than have the WGs ask their membership to re-justify their existence once in a while?  As for having a separate "core group" mailing list, that's fine.  But there is the problem of sending to the wrong list potentially creating (additional) embarrassing situations!

And lately, we in the US know all about embarrassing situations since our recent elections!  :-)

Best regards,

Howie

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From: CESG-All <cesg-all-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of John Garrett <garrett at his.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 12:40 AM
To: 'Berry, David S (3920)'; Nestor.Peccia at esa.int; 'CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG All'
Subject: Re: [Cesg-all] Request to chheck your WG mailing list

Hi,

DAI has a similar use of a couple different mailing lists.

Actually curious about why this is an issue.  Seems like having a larger list with lots of addresses would be desirable to help bring in outside resources to support the CCSDS mission and development of CCSDS standards.

Also seems like having the larger mailing lists supports ISO’s need for an open, multi-stakeholder process.

Peace and joy,
-JOhn Garrett

From: CESG-All [mailto:cesg-all-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Berry, David S (3920)
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 12:32 PM
To: Nestor.Peccia at esa.int; CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG All <cesg-all at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: Re: [Cesg-all] Request to chheck your WG mailing list

Nestor:

The MOIMS/Navigation Working Group already maintains 2 email lists.

One is for people who are coming to meetings, editing documents, and otherwise contributing (called "MOIMS-NAV-EXEC"). I maintain this list regularly to keep it current and applicable. While we do have a few entries for people that do not work at/for space agencies, they are valuable contributors.

The second list is "broadly open to the public"; it is the one that the Secretariat dumped in its report (i.e., "MOIMS-NAV"). This list also contains the members on the MOIMS-NAV-EXEC list, in addition to a lot of people who have expressed interest in our work. This list is not used much, but I also see no reason to maintain it unless someone asks to be removed. I think it's really irrelevant how large the list is.

I don't care if the lists need to be renamed to fit some CESG-approved naming scheme, but I think I have a structure currently in place that meets the spirit of your request.

Regards,
David

From: CESG-All <cesg-all-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cesg-all-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org>> on behalf of "Nestor.Peccia at esa.int<mailto:Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>" <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int<mailto:Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>>
Date: Friday, March 24, 2017 at 12:12 AM
To: CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG All <cesg-all at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cesg-all at mailman.ccsds.org>>
Subject: [Cesg-all] Request to chheck your WG mailing list

Dear WG Chairs

CMC, CESG and the Secretariat are discussing an update of the Procedure and Organization YB to improve the text when defining the criteria for joining the Working Group mailing lists, regarding external requests for individuals with no sponsoring Agency.

Every WG will have its official WG mailing list for normal operation, but you may also, at your discretion, request creation of a "WG Info" mailing list for outreach. This mailing list will be broadly open to the public.

When discussing at CESG level, we also address the need for the WG Chairs to carry out a sanity check in their current mailing lists. There are some WGs with more than hundred members. Members with no sponsoring Agency have to be brought to the attention of the ADs.

You will find attached exports (produced by the Secretariat) for all members within the current open WGs and BoFs.

We kindly ask that the chairs perform changes to the mailing lists via the web interface.
https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/admin[mailman.ccsds.org]<https://webportal.parsons.com/v2/,DanaInfo=urldefense.proofpoint.com,SSL+url?u=https-3A__mailman.ccsds.org_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_admin&d=CwMFaQ&c=Nwf-pp4xtYRe0sCRVM8_LWH54joYF7EKmrYIdfxIq10&r=dT3K0y3n0RD9-56k-UVMPMP98PIQRd2Kzfa-AwqQOww&m=z7gox-udhIrA_Ahzil-QS5GAmpQrnhqJRO8-Iu64Zxk&s=DPDqxdiC_KvmUuvoeFJaBvppbHXcqIQ7YbP7BnUFqnA&e=>

If a WG Chair has lost their Admin Password, or need instructions on how to remove an e-mail account; then please have them contact CCSDS Tech Support at techsupport at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:techsupport at mailman.ccsds.org>.

ciao
nestor

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