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Dear Jean-Luc -</div>
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<span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background: var(--white);">I have posted the updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 Document of the CWE with your/CNES proposed text in Section 3.1 and Section 3.3.1:</span></div>
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<span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background: var(--white);">-- I went through and accepted all agreed-to updates from NASA, ESA, CNES</span></div>
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<span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background: var(--white);">-- All text modified over the two weeks is easily identified (it is worth-while to just "page at-a-glance" through Ch. 1, 2, 3 for the
visual, I strongly suggest this high-level strategy for all)</span></div>
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<span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background: var(--white);"> </span><span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: yellow;">Yellow<span style="background-color: white;"> :
All the text added for CNES RID A through RID V (Ch.1 and Ch.2), thanks to Jean-Luc/CNES</span></span></div>
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This is Jean-Luc's proposed additions to Ch. 3</span></div>
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Stephen's note on Wi-Fi Channel Plan</span></div>
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<span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background: var(--white);">The document (filename: v0.10.17.05.12 883x0r0_CESG_Approval CNES+ESA+NASA RIDs--CNES review+KKG+Clean+CNES-V2.doc) is on the CWE at:</span></div>
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<span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background: var(--white);"> </span><a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/sois/docs/Forms/AllItems.aspx?RootFolder=%2Fsois%2Fdocs%2FSOIS%2DWIR%2FAAA%20Meeting%20Materials%2F2021%2FSpring%2FCCSDS%2D0%2D883%2DR%2D0%20RID%20Processing%2FCCSDS%2D883%2D0%2DR%2D0%20Document%20Repository&FolderCTID=0x0120009D2B0A68C3206447999D0442422BD332&View=%7B23F123B6%2D2C0C%2D4AF8%2D87FC%2D7DBEA74BFFFC%7D" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-auth="NotApplicable" data-linkindex="0" style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">https://cwe.ccsds.org/sois/docs/Forms/AllItems.aspx?RootFolder=%2Fsois%2Fdocs%2FSOIS%2DWIR%2FAAA%20Meeting%20Materials%2F2021%2FSpring%2FCCSDS%2D0%2D883%2DR%2D0%20RID%20Processing%2FCCSDS%2D883%2D0%2DR%2D0%20Document%20Repository&FolderCTID=0x0120009D2B0A68C3206447999D0442422BD332&View=%7B23F123B6%2D2C0C%2D4AF8%2D87FC%2D7DBEA74BFFFC%7D</a></div>
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<span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background: var(--white);">Jean-Luc's suggested text is in</span><span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background: var(--white);"> </span><b style="font-size: 12pt; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;">Section
3.1 </b><span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background: var(--white);">and</span><span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background: var(--white);"> </span><b style="font-size: 12pt; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit;">Section
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Stephen Braham (CSA/NASA) has proposed an Informative Note on Wi-Fi channel plans and impacts in
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<b>@Jean-Luc: Please review and let the group know if this version of the document is acceptable to CNES.</b> </div>
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Thanks to all!</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Issler Jean-Luc <Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 22, 2021 10:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kevin K Gifford <kevin.gifford@colorado.edu>; Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de <Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de>; sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org <sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org>; peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Cc:</b> raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov <raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov>; chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov <chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov>; stephen_braham@sfu.ca <stephen_braham@sfu.ca>; brian.cascarano@canada.ca <brian.cascarano@canada.ca><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE</font>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Dear Kevin, dear all,</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">May we know what do you think about CNES proposals ?</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Looking forward a consensus for the 883-0-R-0 Agency Review.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Jean-Luc</span></p>
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<b>Envoyé :</b> vendredi 18 juin 2021 16:01<br>
<b>À :</b> Issler Jean-Luc <Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr>; Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de; sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org; peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov<br>
<b>Cc :</b> raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov; chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov; stephen_braham@sfu.ca; brian.cascarano@canada.ca; Kevin K Gifford <kevin.gifford@colorado.edu><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Thank you for providing the CNES proposed verbiage in an effort to come to a consensus regarding the 2480 MHz - 2503.5 MHz frequency band which has implications for DLR/ESA lunar
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span class="x_apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:white">Thanks again for CNES continued participation in the discussions.</span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> Issler Jean-Luc <<a href="mailto:Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr">Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 18, 2021 4:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kevin K Gifford <<a href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</a>>;
<a href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a> <<a href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a>>;
<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a> <<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a> <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a> <<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a> <<a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a> <<a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca">stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a> <<a href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca">stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a>>;
<a href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a> <<a href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE</span>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Dear Martin, dear Kevin, dear all,</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Please find here 1) some comments to continue to look for better understanding of CNES proposals, and then 2) comments to your proposal Martin,
and then 3) new proposals taking into account you proposal Kevin:</span></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></b></p>
<p class="x_xmsolistparagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">1)</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt; color:#1F497D">
</span></b><b><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Comment to explain CNES proposals:</span></u></b></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Thank you very much Martin for expressing DLR support to respecting ITU RR in the Shielded Zone of the Moon. CNES think the 883 book is already
well oriented in that respect. The specific issue related to the protection needed for the SFCG 2483.5-2500 MHz band is a different but specific issue :</span></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Overlapping this 2483.5-2500 MHz critical band is compatible with RR in the Shielded Zone of the Moon, but if this band is overlapped by a wireless
band, it could not anymore be used for PNT, and L-band PNT (which is the worst case scenario to “kill” Radio Astronomy continuum observation on the Shielded Zone of the Moon) should be the remaining scenario. This would be unacceptable for CNES, and that is
why the following shall be a </span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#002060">normative</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> statement to have a consensus,
to <b>protect</b> Radio Astronomy in the SZM from Adopters which could be tempted by overlapping the 2483.5-2500 MHz critical band (<b>as a reminder, RFM/SLR already officially mentioned this to SOIS Wireless WG in commenting the draft 883 red book the need
to troncate the 2496-2620 MHz 3GPP band to protect the SFCG 2483.5-2500 MHz band, via a liaison statement</b>):</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow">Mandatorily normative statement in chapter 3
</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:lime">(revised version)</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow">:</span></b></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow"> </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow">In any case, radiated volontary emissions (in allocated channels) and unvolontary emissions (from corresponding spurious) made by RF wireless transmitting devices
of all types in the lunar or martian environment, which would cause frequency overlaps with the lunar and martian communication orbit to surface bands of <s>(1)</s> 2483.5-2500 MHz [33], [40]<s>; or (2) <b>a</b> 3.5 MHz upper guard band between 2500 MHz and
2503.5 MHz; or (3) as well as the 3.5 MHz lower guard band between 2480 MHz and 2483.5 MHz [33], [40],</s> shall not be permitted.</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow"> </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow">The related SFCG lower guard band [33], [40] protecting this orbit to surface band shall not be overlaped. The Adopter should also
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; background:yellow">define an upper guard band to protect this orbit to surface band.</span></p>
<p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#0070C0; background:yellow"> </span></b></p>
<p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#0070C0; background:yellow"> </span></b></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Nota Bene: CNES could accept the statement to be non normative with 3.5 MHz guard bands, if NASA and CSA write an E-mail to CNES saying that NASA and CSA will not overlap the 2480-2503.5 MHz lunar and martian SFCG
band with lunar wireless free space links, and will not promote such overlaping by third operators. Then, we would be more confident the CCSDS 883 red book would not create an important threat for Radio Astronomy on the Shielded Zone of the Moon, if this normative
statement is not mentioned.</span></b></p>
<p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#0070C0; background:yellow"> </span></b></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#201F1E"> </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">[40] <i>Frequency assignment guidelines for communications in the Mars region</i>. Space Frequency Coordination Group. Recommendation SFCG 22-1R3. Reference [40] will become SFCG 22-1R4
<span style="background:yellow">when this SFCG Recommendation is revised.</span></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#201F1E"> </span></p>
<p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; background:yellow">The agreed requirement which shall be added to section 3 state that:</span></b></p>
<p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></b></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:blue">use of any frequency band</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"
shall be verified liaising with RFM WG before selecting any of non-SFCG wireless frequency band with a NOTE remarking that</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:blue">This recommended standard does not provide normative guidance in the
frequency values of the permited bands to be used </span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#00B050">in addition to applicable SFCG bands</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:blue">
by the space systems using the wireless terrestrial standards covered in this book</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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<p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#0070C0; background:yellow"> </span></b></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="background:fuchsia">Nota Bene about what this requirement implies:</span></b><span lang="EN-US">
<b><span style="color:#9CC2E5">“</span></b></span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:16.0pt; color:#00B050">in addition to applicable SFCG bands</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#9CC2E5">”</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> makes (for CNES) possible
the normative statement above related to <b>the 2483.5-2500 MHz band, which is </b>
</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt">the only</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US"> SFCG band potentially overlapped by one of the numerous “non-SFCG compatible” wireless standards of the red book</span></b><span lang="EN-US">, moreover by
<b>severely threatening Radio Astronomy on the Shielded Zone of the Moon</b>. <b>
<span style="color:red">Due to this specific uniqueness, in due to the mentioned threat, the said normative statement
<span style="background:yellow">above in yellow</span> related to the SFCG 2483.5-2500 MHz band is mandatory for CNES</span></b>,
</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt; color:#7030A0">and shall be separated in a specific paragraph</span></b><span lang="EN-US">.</span></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Comments on this issue highlighted several times would be appeciated</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsolistparagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">2)</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt; color:#1F497D">
</span></b><b><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">comments to your proposal Martin</span></u></b></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></b></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">We agree to assemble the different
<b>normative </b>paragraphs as you propose, Martin, with one exception:</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Exception:
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">The paragraph above
<b><span style="background:yellow">in yellow</span></b> on the 2483.5-2500 MHz band, which is a very specific issue excluded by “</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#0070C0">in addition to applicable SFCG bands</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">”,
have to be excluded from the assembling, as justified above and hereafter.</span></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Other comments in your text:</span></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></b></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">This recommended standard does not provide any normative guidance in the frequency values of the permitted bands
</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; color:blue">in addition to applicable SFCG bands by the space systems using the wireless terrestrial standards covered in this book. Consequently, the following implications for the frequency selection are
to be followed:</span></b></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black; background:aqua">The frequency band choices for lunar
<b>or martian </b>surface wireless transmissions could be impacted by ITU REC [</span><span lang="EN-US" style="background:aqua">38<span style="color:black">] and by the Radio Regulation [39] applicable in the Shielded Zone of the Moon (SZM). Therefore,
</span><b><span style="color:#00B050">Adopters</span><span style="color:black"> </span>
</b>must ensure compatibility with ITU Radio Regulations.</span></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Wingdings; color:#00B050; background:aqua">è</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#00B050; background:aqua">OK</span></b></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">The
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:blue">use of any frequency band</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"
shall be verified liaising with RFM WG before selecting any of non-SFCG wireless frequency band.</span></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Wingdings; color:#00B050">è</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#00B050"> OK</span></b></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><s><span lang="EN-US">Special attention shall be given to the
<b>2483.5-2500 MHz band, which is </b></span></s><b><s><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt">the only</span></s></b><b><s><span lang="EN-US"> SFCG band potentially overlapped by one of the numerous “non-SFCG compatible” wireless standards of the red book
(see informational note in section … for more detail).</span></s></b></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Wingdings; color:red">è</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:red"> NOT OK:
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:red">shall be separate due to the very specific and unique issue as justified above, and shall be
<b>normative</b> ( not an informational note which <b>would not protect</b> Radio Astronomy in the SZM
<b>from the heavy threat</b> mentioned )</span></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:red">Remark:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="color:red"> moreover, the proposed text here
<b>highlight that most of the wireless standards of the red book are not SFCG-compatible</b>: this is true, I agree this to be mentioned elsewere (non normative note; not in this paragraph) in the red book</span></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#00B050; background:aqua">Space Agencies</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="background:aqua">
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="background:aqua">must ensure clearance for an SFCG Waiver when the chosen frequency band is not recommended in [33]
<b>or in [40]</b>.</span></p>
<p class="x_xmsolistparagraph"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Wingdings; color:#00B050">è</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#00B050"> OK</span></b></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">A Frequency Usage Verification Procedure needs to be followed as it is defined by the responsible bodies, that can be SLS RLM WG.</span></p>
<p class="x_xmsolistparagraph"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Wingdings; color:#00B050">è</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#00B050"> OK</span></b></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="x_xmsolistparagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">3)</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt; color:#1F497D">
</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">new proposals taking into account you proposal Kevin:</span></b></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></b></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">To put at the end of paragraph 3.1 (Overview) one of the 2 version of the assembled paragraph</span></b></p>
<p class="x_xmsolistparagraph"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></b></p>
<p class="x_xmsolistparagraph"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">option 1:</span></b></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; background:aqua">This recommended standard does not provide any normative guidance in the frequency values of the permitted bands
</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt; background:lime">in addition to the applicable SFCG band</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; background:aqua"> by the space systems using the wireless terrestrial standards covered
in this book. Consequently, the following implications for the frequency selection are to be followed:</span></b></p>
<ol start="1" type="1" style="margin-top:0cm">
<li class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><b><span lang="EN-US" style="background:aqua">The frequency band choices for lunar or martian surface wireless transmissions could be impacted by ITU REC [38] and by the Radio Regulation [39] applicable in the Shielded Zone
of the Moon (SZM). Therefore, Adopters must ensure compatibility with ITU Radio Regulations.</span></b></li><li class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; background:aqua">The
</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; background:aqua">"</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; background:aqua">use of any frequency band</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; background:aqua">"
shall be verified liaising with RFM WG before selecting any of non-SFCG wireless frequency band.</span></b></li><li class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><b><span lang="EN-US" style="background:aqua">Space Agencies must ensure clearance for an SFCG Waiver when the chosen frequency band is not recommended in [33] or in [40].</span></b></li><li class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><b><span lang="EN-US" style="background:aqua">A Frequency Usage Verification Procedure needs to be followed as it is defined by the responsible bodies, that can be SLS RLM WG.</span></b></li></ol>
<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="x_xmsolistparagraph"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">option 2 :</span></b></p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; background:aqua">This recommended standard does not provide any normative guidance in the frequency values of the permitted bands
</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:16.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; background:lime">[</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:16.0pt; background:lime">in addition to the applicable SFCG band to protect (2483.5-2500 MHz)]</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; background:aqua">
by the space systems using the wireless terrestrial standards covered in this book. Consequently, the following implications for the frequency selection are to be followed:</span></b></p>
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<li class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><b><span lang="EN-US" style="background:aqua">The frequency band choices for lunar or martian surface wireless transmissions could be impacted by ITU REC [38] and by the Radio Regulation [39] applicable in the Shielded Zone
of the Moon (SZM). Therefore, Adopters must ensure compatibility with ITU Radio Regulations.</span></b></li><li class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; background:aqua">The
</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; background:aqua">"</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; background:aqua">use of any frequency band</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; background:aqua">"
shall be verified liaising with RFM WG before selecting any of non-SFCG wireless frequency band.</span></b></li><li class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><b><span lang="EN-US" style="background:aqua">Space Agencies must ensure clearance for an SFCG Waiver when the chosen frequency band is not recommended in [33] or in [40].</span></b></li><li class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><b><span lang="EN-US" style="background:aqua">A Frequency Usage Verification Procedure needs to be followed as it is defined by the responsible bodies, that can be SLS RLM WG.</span></b></li></ol>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">In addition, the 3 partially redoundant paragraphs on this in chapter 3 are proposed to be removed.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">The more important issue to reach consensus hopefully:</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow">Mandatorily normative statement in chapter 3 : in paragraph 3.3.1</span></b></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow"> </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow">In any case, radiated volontary emissions (in allocated channels) and unvolontary emissions (from corresponding spurious) made by RF wireless transmitting devices
of all types in the lunar or martian environment, which would cause frequency overlaps with the lunar and martian communication orbit to surface bands of 2483.5-2500 MHz [33], [40] shall not be permitted. The related SFCG lower guard band [33], [40] protecting
this orbit to surface band shall not be overlaped. The Adopter should also</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; background:yellow"> define an upper guard band to protect this orbit to surface band<b><span style="color:#0070C0">.</span></b></span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">For clarity, I updated the red book on CWE with these proposals, and I joint the corresponding extract of chapter 3 with all the proposed updates.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Looking forward a consensus, which imply an agreement on real protection of Radio Astronomy in the SZM by normatively not having any ambiguity
on avoiding the overlapping of 2483.5-2500 MHz SFCG orbit to surface band in the CCSDS 883 bleu book.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">VBR</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Jean-Luc</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">De :</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kevin K Gifford <<a href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</a>>
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<b>Envoyé :</b> jeudi 17 juin 2021 16:13<br>
<b>À :</b> <a href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a>; Issler Jean-Luc <<a href="mailto:Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr">Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr</a>>;
<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>; <a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">
peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a><br>
<b>Cc :</b> <a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a>;
<a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a>; <a href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca">
stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a>; <a href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Dear Martin, Dear All - </span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">@Martin: Thank you for the suggested input. </span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">As SOIS-WIR WG Chair, I would support Martin's proposal and I believe that NASA would support this proposal as well with the (Martin's) proposed text up front in Section 3.1.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">@Jean-Luc: Can CNES accept Martin's proposal?</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Thanks to all for the hard work and professionalism displayed dealing with this important concern.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Kevin</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">
<a href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a> <<a href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 17, 2021 7:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr">Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr</a> <<a href="mailto:Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr">Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr</a>>; Kevin K Gifford <<a href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</a>>;
<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a> <<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a> <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a> <<a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a> <<a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca">stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a> <<a href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca">stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a>>;
<a href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a> <<a href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> AW: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE</span>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span lang="DE">Dear all,</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">I can confirm and support the CNES statement regarding the ITU Regulation concerning the Shielded side of the moon, since this is also the main concern by the German radio astronomers as from a statement made by our
SFCG representative Mr. Ewald. So, it should be clarified “that using LTE on the moon is not violating the RR and this usage is compatible with existing regulation” as Mr. Ewald stated regarding this specific issue.</span></p>
<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">I am not sure if this is possible, but I would suggest to compress all relevant information to one statement, as all of them are connected to each other, and the reader (the later adaptor/ system architect) directly
knows the conditions under which he needs select the frequency band, who is responsible for what and which actions items he needs to work through. It is more clear to the reader and the most important information is at one place. It would be maybe something
like this:</span></p>
<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">This recommended standard does not provide any normative guidance in the frequency values of the permitted bands
</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; color:blue">in addition to applicable SFCG bands by the space systems using the wireless terrestrial standards covered in this book. Consequently, the following implications for the frequency selection are
to be followed:</span></b></p>
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<li class="x_MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span lang="EN-US" style="background:aqua">The frequency band choices for lunar
<b>or martian </b>surface wireless transmissions could be impacted by ITU REC [</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext; background:aqua">38</span><span lang="EN-US" style="background:aqua">] and by the Radio Regulation [39] applicable in the Shielded
Zone of the Moon (SZM). Therefore, </span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#00B050; background:aqua">Adopters</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="background:aqua">
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext; background:aqua">must ensure compatibility with ITU Radio Regulations.</span></li><li class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">The
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:blue">use of any frequency band</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"
shall be verified liaising with RFM WG before selecting any of non-SFCG wireless frequency band.</span></li><li class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="EN-US">Special attention shall be given to the
<b>2483.5-2500 MHz band, which is </b></span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt">the only</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US"> SFCG band potentially overlapped by one of the numerous “non-SFCG compatible” wireless standards of the red book (see informational
note in section … for more detail).</span></b></li><li class="x_MsoNormal" style="color:black"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#00B050; background:aqua">Space Agencies</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext; background:aqua">
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext; background:aqua">must ensure clearance for an SFCG Waiver when the chosen frequency band is not recommended in [33]
<b>or in [40]</b>.</span></li><li class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="EN-US">A Frequency Usage Verification Procedure needs to be followed as it is defined by the responsible bodies, that can be SLS RLM WG.</span></li></ol>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best regards</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Martin</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><b><span lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE"> Issler Jean-Luc <<a href="mailto:Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr">Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr</a>>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2021 19:25<br>
<b>An:</b> Drobczyk, Martin <<a href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a>>;
<a href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</a>; <a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org">
sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>; <a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a>;
<a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a>; <a href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca">
stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a>; <a href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> RE: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dear Kevin, dear all,</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Please find here the attached CNES answers and proposals, looking forward your understanding of CNES and Radio Astronomers high level concerns, and a consensus.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Have a nice day; VBR</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Jean-Luc</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><b>De :</b> <a href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a> <<a href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a>>
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<b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 16 juin 2021 07:50<br>
<b>À :</b> <a href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</a>; Issler Jean-Luc <<a href="mailto:Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr">Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr</a>>;
<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>; <a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">
peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a><br>
<b>Cc :</b> <a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a>;
<a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a>; <a href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca">
stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a>; <a href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> AW: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE</p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span lang="DE">Hi all,</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">number 1 is a very important statement/requirement (maybe the most important) and already builds the framework for number 3 which can be from my point of view an informational note, as long as number 1 is a requirement.
Because the statement in number 1 delegates the frequency selection and verification to the bodies and authorized representatives responsible for it. And it clearly and implicitly states, that this book recommends the wireless terrestrial standards but without
any guarantee and authority to use them in the terrestrial bands, but instead be (always) compliant with any SFCG and SLS RFM decisions, clauses or normative statements regarding frequency selection.</span></p>
<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">For this reason, I would also agree with Kevin that number 2 is out of the scope of this document as it is already enclosed in the statement of number 1 “.. verified liaising with RFM WG..”, and the verification process
needs to be established there.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best regards</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Martin</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><b><span lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE"> Kevin K Gifford <<a href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</a>>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 15. Juni 2021 18:07<br>
<b>An:</b> Issler Jean-Luc <<a href="mailto:Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr">Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr</a>>;
<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>; Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ray Wagner <<a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a>>; Lansdowne, Chatwin (JSC-EV811) <<a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a>>; Stephen Braham <<a href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca">stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a>>;
Cascarano, Brian (ASC/CSA) <<a href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a>>; Kevin K Gifford <<a href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</a>>; Drobczyk, Martin <<a href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE</span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">Dear Jean-Luc - </span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">Thank you for your updated proposal. I believe we are getting close to a resolution and again am very thankful to be addressing this issue with yourself and CNES.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">Thanks also for acknowledging that CNES is aware of the directions provided by Peter Shames (CESG) to the SOIS-WIR WG on this issue. Per Peter Shames' instructions, the CCSDS-883-0-R-0 document:</span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">-- Shall state normatively that all spectrum coordination<span class="x_xxapple-converted-space"> </span><b>must</b><span class="x_xxapple-converted-space"> </span>go through the SLS-RFM and the SFCG</span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">--<span class="x_xxapple-converted-space"> </span><b>Cannot</b><span class="x_xxapple-converted-space"> </span>make any<span class="x_xxapple-converted-space"> </span><u>normative</u><span class="x_xxapple-converted-space"> </span>statements
regarding frequency assignments</span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">The SOIS-WIR counter proposal is as follows:</span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">[Accept] </span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">A requirement shall be added to section 3 to state that: "use of / allocation of frequencies" shall be verified liaising with RFM WG before selecting any of non-SFCG wireless frequency band with a NOTE remarking that "This
recommended standard does not provide normative guidance in the frequency values of the permitted bands to be used by the wireless terrestrial standards in addition to applicable SFCG bands"</span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">[Reject]</span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">The added requirement shall be reflected in the PICS Annex by a relevant "Frequency Usage Verification Procedure" to be added to the existing Network Connectivity Verification Procedure, Network Performance Verification
Procedure, QoS Verification Procedure.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">Rationale: The CCSDS Yellow Book is required for interoperability conformance verifications. A "SLS-RFM or SFCG" Frequency Verification Procedure is out of scope for CCDSD-883-0-R-0; SOIS-WIR firmly believes this procedure
is in purview of SLS-RFM.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">For the CNES proposed text below the SOIS-WIR WG will accept this text as an<span class="x_xxapple-converted-space"> </span><b>Informational Note</b><span class="x_xxapple-converted-space"> </span>but not as a Normative
statement:</span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black; background:yellow">In any case, radiated volontary emissions (in allocated channels) and unvolontary emissions (from corresponding spurious) made by RF wireless transmitting devices of all types in the lunar or martian
environment, which would cause frequency overlaps with the lunar and martian communication orbit to surface bands of <s>(1)</s> 2483.5-2500 MHz [33], [40]<s>; or (2) <b>a</b> 3.5 MHz upper guard band between 2500 MHz and 2503.5 MHz; or (3) as well as the
3.5 MHz lower guard band between 2480 MHz and 2483.5 MHz [33], [40],</s> shall not be permitted.</span></p>
<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black; background:yellow"> </span></p>
<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black; background:yellow">The related SFCG lower guard band [33], [40] protecting this lunar and martian communication orbit to surface band shall not be overlaped. SFCG will define the related upper guard band [33], [40] after
the publication of this Bleu Book. This upper guard band, when defined, shall not be overlaped. </span><s><span lang="DE" style="color:#0070C0; background:yellow">By</span></s><span lang="DE" style="color:#0070C0; background:yellow"> W</span><span lang="DE" style="color:black; background:yellow">aiting
the SFCG definition of this upper guard band, the Adopter should </span><b><span lang="DE" style="color:#0070C0; background:yellow">define this upper guard band by using the “</span></b><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#0070C0; background:yellow">Frequency
Usage Verification Procedure” of the PICS Annex</span></b><b><span lang="DE" style="color:#0070C0; background:yellow">.</span></b></p>
<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black; background:yellow"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left:27.0pt; text-indent:-27.0pt"><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E">[40] </span><i><span lang="DE" style="color:black">Frequency assignment guidelines for communications in the Mars region</span></i><span lang="DE" style="color:black">.
Space Frequency Coordination Group. Recommendation SFCG 22-1R3. </span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E; background:yellow">Reference [40] will become SFCG 22-1R4 when this SFCG Recommendation will be edited.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">Rationale: Per CESG instructions, no normative statements regarding spectrum bands, channels or guard bands are to be allowed.. in CCSDS-883-0-R-0.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">The SOIS-WIR WG will publicize/discuss the above proposal with Peter Shames to ensure that our Working Groupo is properly following CESG expectations.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">Jean-Luc: Would CNES accept the above proposal?</span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">Thanks.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">Kevin</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="color:black"> SOIS-WIR <<a href="mailto:sois-wir-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">sois-wir-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>> on behalf of Issler Jean-Luc <<a href="mailto:Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr">Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a> <<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [SOIS-WIR] TR: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE</span><span lang="DE">
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Dear all,</span></p>
<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Please find here a wording for an updated proposal : modifications of the first paragraph are tracked, and a second paragraph has been added
in order to not write any guard band bandwidth value (as proposed by Mr Shame in his E-mail bellow), and to not preclude about future SFCG decisions
<b>while protecting Radio Astronomy</b>, this last point beeing as you know a very important challenge for CNES and the Radio Astronomers, very concerned about this guard band issue.
</span></p>
<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow">In any case, radiated volontary emissions (in allocated channels) and unvolontary emissions (from corresponding spurious) made by RF wireless
transmitting devices of all types in the lunar or martian environment, which would cause frequency overlaps with the lunar and martian communication<span class="x_xxxapple-converted-space"> </span>orbit to surface<span class="x_xxxapple-converted-space"> </span>bands
of <s>(1)</s> 2483.5-2500 MHz [33], [40]<s>; or (2) <b>a</b> 3.5 MHz upper guard band between 2500 MHz and 2503.5 MHz; or (3) as well as the 3.5 MHz lower guard band between 2480 MHz and 2483.5 MHz [33], [40],</s> shall not be permitted.</span></p>
<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow"> </span></p>
<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow">The related SFCG lower guard band [33], [40] protecting this lunar and martian communication<span class="x_xxxapple-converted-space"> </span>orbit
to surface<span class="x_xxxapple-converted-space"> </span>band shall not be overlaped. SFCG will define the related upper guard band [33], [40] after the publication of this Bleu Book. This upper guard band, when defined, shall not be overlaped.
</span><s><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#0070C0; background:yellow">By</span></s><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#0070C0; background:yellow"> W</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow">aiting
the SFCG definition of this upper guard band, the Adopter should </span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#0070C0; background:yellow">define this upper guard band by using the “</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#0070C0; background:yellow">Frequency
Usage Verification Procedure” of the PICS Annex</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#0070C0; background:yellow">.</span></b></p>
<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow"> </span></p>
<p class="x_xxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:27.0pt; text-indent:-27.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">[40]
<i><span style="color:black">Frequency assignment guidelines for communications in the Mars region</span></i><span style="color:black">. Space Frequency Coordination Group. Recommendation SFCG 22-1R3.
</span><span style="background:yellow">Reference [40] will become SFCG 22-1R4 when this SFCG Recommendation will be edited.</span></span></p>
<p class="x_xxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:27.0pt; text-indent:-27.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">What do you think please ?</span></p>
<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow"> </span></p>
<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">What do you think about the update proposal of the note
<span style="background:aqua">in blue</span> bellow please ?</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Following Mr Shame’s message bellow, and some discussions that occur, it is not clear enougth in the 883B red book weather the wireless architecture
standard refering to a certain number of terrestrial wireless standards is normative regarding the wireless standard frequencies or not. According to Mr Shame, the wireless frequencies shall not be normative. To make this ambiguity desapear, CNES proposes
to add in the normative chapter 3 the following:</span></p>
<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt; text-indent:-18.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">1)</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A requirement shall be added to section 3 to state that:
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:blue">use of / allocation of frequencies</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"
shall be verified liaising with RFM WG before selecting any of non-SFCG wireless frequency band with a NOTE remarking that</span><span lang="EN-US">
</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:blue">This recommended standard does not provide normative guidance in the
frequency values of the permited bands to be used by the wireless terrestrial standards in addition to applicable SFCG bands</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
</span></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-left:18.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">2) The added requirement shall be reflected in the PICS Annex by a relevant "Frequency Usage Verification Procedure"</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
to be added to the existing Network Connectivity Verification Procedure, Network Performance Verification Procedure, QoS Verification Procedure.</span></p>
<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">What do you think about this proposal following Mr Shame’s remarks
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Looking forward a consensus, in order to make all the CNES RIDs to have disposition, and to have a normative guard band text (<i>without any
guard band bandwidth value</i> <i>as now wished</i>) letting a chance for Radio Astronomy continuum observations in the Shielded Zone of the Moon.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">VBR</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Jean-Luc</span></p>
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Shames, Peter M (US 312B)" <</span><a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">></span><span lang="EN-US">
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Gian Paolo Calzolari" <</span><a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>,
"Gilles Moury" <</span><a href="mailto:Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>, "</span><a href="mailto:Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"
<</span><a href="mailto:Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">></span><span lang="EN-US">
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#5F5F5F">Cc: </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Wilmot, Jonathan J. (GSFC-5820)" <</span><a href="mailto:jonathan.j.wilmot@nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">jonathan.j.wilmot@nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>,
"Wagner, Raymond S. (JSC-EV811)" <</span><a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>,
"Kevin K Gifford" <</span><a href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>,
"Lee, Dennis K (US 332G)" <</span><a href="mailto:dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">></span><span lang="EN-US">
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">09/06/21 23:58</span><span lang="EN-US">
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#5F5F5F">Subject: </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Potential SLS / RFM issue</span><span lang="EN-US">
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear Gippo, Gilles, and Enrico,</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I just had a discussion with a couple of the SOIS Wireless (WIR) WG guys, Gifford and Wagner. I think that the major issues that I perceived, vis-à-vis handling their “near-by”
link layer protocols in a fashion consistent with the rest of the space link protocols has been dealt with. In the SANA we will treat them as two separate protocols from the rest of the SLS standards, and we will register the identifiers assigned by their
“home” standards organizations in their own SANA SCID registries. </span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The reference to SANA SCID registries, of course, implies that they will also need to align with the Q-SCID frequency bands as well, and those are aligned with RFM WG and SFCG
practices. I do not believe that any of you have an issue with any of this. </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The WG has experienced some push back, from both NASA and CNES members, regarding the inclusion of statements about frequency bands or frequency allocations in any bands. I have
advised the SOIS WIR to not provide any sort of normative guidance in this matter and to defer to the RFM WG for all questions regarding use of / allocation of frequencies. This is under the assumption that you will, in turn, rely upon the SFCG to provide
the formal guidance and frequency allocations in accordance with established international practices and regulations.</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I am writing now just to ascertain that you all concur. I believe that the SOIS WIR needs to just acknowledge this situation and, for questions about frequency allocations, to
guide the users of these standards to the RFM WG and the SFCG.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Do you agree?</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks, Peter</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">De :</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Issler Jean-Luc
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<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 8 juin 2021 19:15<br>
<b>À :</b> 'Kevin K Gifford' <</span><a href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Cc :</b> </span><a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">;
</span><a href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">;
</span><a href="mailto:david.ni-1@nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">david.ni-1@nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">;
</span><a href="mailto:Andre.Luebken@dlr.de"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Andre.Luebken@dlr.de</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">; warp <</span><a href="mailto:warp@polylab.sfu.ca"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">warp@polylab.sfu.ca</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>;
</span><a href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">; Ray Wagner <</span><a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Objet :</b> RE: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Dear all, and thank you Stephen, Martin and Kevin for your updates</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Please find here CNES proposal</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow">In any case, radiated
<b>volontary </b>emissions (in allocated channels<b>)</b> and <b>unvolontary emissions (</b>from corresponding spurious) made by RF wireless transmitting devices of all types in the lunar or martian environment, which
<b>would </b> cause frequency overlaps with the lunar and martian communication<span class="x_xxxapple-converted-space"> </span><b>orbit to surface</b><span class="x_xxxapple-converted-space"> </span>bands of (1) 2483.5-2500 MHz [33], [40]; or (2)
<b>a</b> 3.5 MHz upper guard band between 2500 MHz and 2503.5 MHz; or (3) as well as the 3.5 MHz lower guard band between 2480 MHz and 2483.5 MHz [33], [40], <b>shall
</b>not be permitted.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Ref [40] is:</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:27.0pt; text-indent:-27.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">[40]
<i><span style="color:black">Frequency assignment guidelines for communications in the Mars region</span></i><span style="color:black">. Space Frequency Coordination Group. Recommendation SFCG 22-1R3.</span></span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">As already explained, for CNES, the 3GPP terrestrial standard in the 2496-2620 MHz band (not SFCG) cannot be normative (with the discussed
band restriction), if the discussed bands to protect (orbit to surface band and its guard bands) are not normatively protected. This text shall therefore effectively be out of a NOTE.
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:58.5pt; text-indent:-58.5pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">We propose this text above to be just before the NOTEs of paragraph 3.1.1 GENERAL ( Alternatively,
this text above could be just before the NOTE of paragraph 3.1 OVERVIEW )</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:58.5pt; text-indent:-58.5pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Since the EARFCN paragraph is proposed to be not kept, the related references [40] and [41]
on E UTRA appearing in this paragraph are proposed to be removed, and the martian SFCG doc would have reference [40].</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">We also propose to update the last NOTE of paragraph 3.1.1 as follows:</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:58.5pt; text-indent:-58.5pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black; background:aqua">The frequency band choices for lunar
<b>or martian </b>surface wireless transmissions could be impacted by ITU REC [</span><span lang="EN-US" style="background:aqua">38<span style="color:black">] and by the Radio Regulation [39] applicable in the Shielded Zone of the Moon (SZM).
</span><b><span style="color:#00B050">Adopters</span><span style="color:black"> </span>
</b>must also ensure compatibility with ITU Radio Regulations, and <b><span style="color:#00B050">Space Agencies</span>
</b>must ensure clearance for an SFCG Waiver when the chosen frequency band is not recommended in [33]
<b>or in [40]</b>.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I uploaded on CWE a new version of the red book with all the proposed updates (without the ones
</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#00B050">in green</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> that I realized after to be needed).</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">It is mandatory for CNES to have consensus on the proposals in this E-mail before our WG to submit to SESG a resolution for publication of
883-0-R-0 : looking forward a consensus.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Have a nice day/evening VBR</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Jean-Luc</span></p>
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