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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Small one by me, too, with either my
computer or fingers doing autocorrect, it seems - "lunar or Mars
service" on pg. 3-3 should have been "surface" albeit now, looking
at consistency, it should be "<i>in</i> the lunar or Mars <i>region</i>".
As we don't have a pfd/SINR floor for accepted unwanted emissions
in the related docs to know if orbital (probably LLO, as Apollo
demonstrated that you can orbit at 10's of km perilune!), or
incoming landers in descent phase, infrastructure can interfere.
We already know from previous analysis by SFU that you run into
problems to/from Earth once you get much below ISS altitude, using
ITU pfd limits and 3GPP-specified unwanted emission acceptance
floors (which are pretty much the input to the usual ITU and
regional regulatory body pfd limits). Rest of my text is "region"
because of that.<br>
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Steve</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2021-06-22 22:52,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi
all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">there was also one typo from my side, which was
then copied. Should be SLS RFM and not SLS RLM
</span><span
style="font-family:Wingdings;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">J</span><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"> in the
following sentence:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
lang="EN-US">A Frequency Usage Verification Procedure needs
to be followed as it is defined by the responsible bodies,
that can be SLS<span style="color:red"> RLM
</span>WG.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="FR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="FR">Best regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="FR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="FR">Martin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Von:</b> Kevin K Gifford
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"><kevin.gifford@colorado.edu></a> <br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 22. Juni 2021 18:51<br>
<b>An:</b> Issler Jean-Luc
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr"><Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr></a>; Drobczyk, Martin
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de"><Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca">stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a>; Kevin K Gifford
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"><kevin.gifford@colorado.edu></a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: Updated
CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Dear Jean-Luc - <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I was able to meet
with NASA and CSA representatives on Monday, 21-Jun-2021
to discuss the latest CNES proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I am currently
coordinating with NASA for their review/inputs and expect
to complete this activity this afternoon. My goal is to
get a response to you Wednesday morning, your time (0800
CET).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Question</span></u><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">: Jean-Luc, may I
clean/edit your proposed text
<b>only for the purposes of English grammar?</b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I think that NASA and
CSA are generally amenable to your proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">-- I'd like to tidy
the text since it will go in front of the CESG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">-- In additional to
your proposed text in your proposed sections, NASA/CSA
have an Informational Note to add regarding Wi-Fi, 2.4 GHz
ISM, and 5.8 GHz as a point of information.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Please let me know if
any questions. I'll strive to get a reply to you/CNES as
stated above (Wednesday 0800 CET).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Kevin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="color:black"> Issler Jean-Luc <<a
href="mailto:Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr"
moz-do-not-send="true">Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 22, 2021 10:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kevin K Gifford <<a
href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</a>>;
<a href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de"
moz-do-not-send="true">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a> <<a
href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de"
moz-do-not-send="true">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a>>;
<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>
<<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>
<<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a>
<<a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a>
<<a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a> <<a
href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a>>;
<a href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a>
<<a href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: Updated
CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE</span>
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lang="FR">Dear Kevin, dear all,</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="FR"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">May we know what do you think about CNES
proposals ?</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Looking forward a consensus for the
883-0-R-0 Agency Review.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">VBR</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Jean-Luc</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="FR">De :</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="FR"> Kevin K Gifford <<a
href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</a>>
<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> vendredi 18 juin 2021 16:01<br>
<b>À :</b> Issler Jean-Luc <<a
href="mailto:Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr"
moz-do-not-send="true">Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr</a>>;
<a href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de"
moz-do-not-send="true">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a>;
<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>; <a
href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a><br>
<b>Cc :</b> <a
href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a>;
<a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a>;
<a href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">
stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a>; <a
href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a>;
Kevin K Gifford <<a
href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</a>><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re:
Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="FR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="FR">Dear Jean-Luc - </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="FR"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="FR">Thank you for providing the CNES proposed
verbiage in an effort to come to a consensus regarding
the 2480 MHz - 2503.5 MHz frequency band which has
implications for DLR/ESA lunar communications <span
style="background:white">LO-LS<span
class="xapple-converted-space"> links and
commercial lunar mission support services.</span></span></span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
lang="FR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span class="xapple-converted-space"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white"
lang="FR">The NASA and CSA CCSDS-883-0-R-0 team is
scheduled to meet on Monday, 21-Jun-2021, 1500 CET,
to discuss the proposal. We should have a reply to
you later in the day (early evening in Toulouse).</span></span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
lang="FR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span class="xapple-converted-space"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white"
lang="FR">Thanks again for CNES continued
participation in the discussions.</span></span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
lang="FR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span class="xapple-converted-space"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:white"
lang="FR">Kevin</span></span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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align="center"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="FR">
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="FR">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="FR"> Issler Jean-Luc <<a
href="mailto:Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr"
moz-do-not-send="true">Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 18, 2021 4:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kevin K Gifford <<a
href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</a>>;
<a href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de"
moz-do-not-send="true">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a>
<<a href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de"
moz-do-not-send="true">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a>>;
<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>
<<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>
<<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>
<<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a>
<<a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a>
<<a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a>
<<a href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a>>;
<a href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a>
<<a href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: Updated
CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE</span><span lang="FR">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="FR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Dear Martin, dear Kevin, dear all,</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Please find here 1) some comments to
continue to look for better understanding of CNES
proposals, and then 2) comments to your proposal
Martin, and then 3) new proposals taking into
account you proposal Kevin:</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsolistparagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">1)</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">
</span></b><b><u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Comment to explain CNES proposals:</span></u></b><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Thank you very much Martin for
expressing DLR support to respecting ITU RR in the
Shielded Zone of the Moon. CNES think the 883 book
is already well oriented in that respect. The
specific issue related to the protection needed for
the SFCG 2483.5-2500 MHz band is a different but
specific issue :</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Overlapping this 2483.5-2500 MHz
critical band is compatible with RR in the Shielded
Zone of the Moon, but if this band is overlapped by
a wireless band, it could not anymore be used for
PNT, and L-band PNT (which is the worst case
scenario to “kill” Radio Astronomy continuum
observation on the Shielded Zone of the Moon) should
be the remaining scenario. This would be
unacceptable for CNES, and that is why the following
shall be a </span><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060"
lang="EN-US">normative</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> statement to have a consensus, to <b>protect</b>
Radio Astronomy in the SZM from Adopters which could
be tempted by overlapping the 2483.5-2500 MHz
critical band (<b>as a reminder, RFM/SLR already
officially mentioned this to SOIS Wireless WG in
commenting the draft 883 red book the need to
troncate the 2496-2620 MHz 3GPP band to protect
the SFCG 2483.5-2500 MHz band, via a liaison
statement</b>):</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US">Mandatorily normative statement in
chapter 3
</span></b><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:lime"
lang="EN-US">(revised version)</span></b><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US">:</span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US">In any case, radiated volontary
emissions (in allocated channels) and unvolontary
emissions (from corresponding spurious) made by RF
wireless transmitting devices of all types in the
lunar or martian environment, which would cause
frequency overlaps with the lunar and martian
communication orbit to surface bands of <s>(1)</s> 2483.5-2500
MHz [33], [40]<s>; or (2) <b>a</b> 3.5 MHz upper
guard band between 2500 MHz and 2503.5 MHz; or (3)
as well as the 3.5 MHz lower guard band between
2480 MHz and 2483.5 MHz [33], [40],</s> shall not
be permitted.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US">The related SFCG lower guard band
[33], [40] protecting this orbit to surface band
shall not be overlaped. The Adopter should also
</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US">define an upper guard band to protect
this orbit to surface band.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0070C0;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US"> </span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0070C0;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US"> </span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Nota Bene:
CNES could accept the statement to be non
normative with 3.5 MHz guard bands, if NASA and
CSA write an E-mail to CNES saying that NASA and
CSA will not overlap the 2480-2503.5 MHz lunar and
martian SFCG band with lunar wireless free space
links, and will not promote such overlaping by
third operators. Then, we would be more confident
the CCSDS 883 red book would not create an
important threat for Radio Astronomy on the
Shielded Zone of the Moon, if this normative
statement is not mentioned.</span></b><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0070C0;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US"> </span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#201F1E" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">[40] <i>Frequency assignment
guidelines for communications in the Mars region</i>.
Space Frequency Coordination Group. Recommendation
SFCG 22-1R3. Reference [40] will become SFCG 22-1R4
<span style="background:yellow">when this SFCG
Recommendation is revised.</span></span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#201F1E" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US">The agreed requirement which shall be
added to section 3 state that:</span></b><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> </span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">"</span><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue"
lang="EN-US">use of any frequency band</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">" shall be verified liaising with RFM
WG before selecting any of non-SFCG wireless
frequency band with a NOTE remarking that</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">
</span><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">"</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue"
lang="EN-US">This recommended standard does not
provide normative guidance in the frequency values
of the permited bands to be used </span></b><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#00B050"
lang="EN-US">in addition to applicable SFCG bands</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue"
lang="EN-US"> by the space systems using the
wireless terrestrial standards covered in this
book</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">"</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0070C0;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US"> </span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><b><span
style="background:fuchsia" lang="EN-US">Nota Bene
about what this requirement implies:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US">
<b><span style="color:#9CC2E5">“</span></b></span><b><span
style="font-size:16.0pt;color:#00B050"
lang="EN-US">in addition to applicable SFCG bands</span></b><b><span
style="color:#9CC2E5" lang="EN-US">”</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> makes (for CNES) possible the
normative statement above related to <b>the
2483.5-2500 MHz band, which is </b>
</span><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt" lang="EN-US">the
only</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US"> SFCG band
potentially overlapped by one of the numerous
“non-SFCG compatible” wireless standards of the
red book</span></b><span lang="EN-US">, moreover
by
<b>severely threatening Radio Astronomy on the
Shielded Zone of the Moon</b>. <b>
<span style="color:red">Due to this specific
uniqueness, in due to the mentioned threat, the
said normative statement
<span style="background:yellow">above in yellow</span>
related to the SFCG 2483.5-2500 MHz band is
mandatory for CNES</span></b>,
</span><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#7030A0"
lang="EN-US">and shall be separated in a specific
paragraph</span></b><span lang="EN-US">.</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Comments on this issue highlighted
several times would be appeciated</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsolistparagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">2)</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">
</span></b><b><u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">comments to your proposal Martin</span></u></b><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">We agree to assemble the different
<b>normative </b>paragraphs as you propose, Martin,
with one exception:</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Exception:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">The paragraph above
<b><span style="background:yellow">in yellow</span></b>
on the 2483.5-2500 MHz band, which is a very
specific issue excluded by “</span><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0070C0"
lang="EN-US">in addition to applicable SFCG bands</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">”, have to be excluded from the
assembling, as justified above and hereafter.</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Other comments in your text:</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">This recommended standard does not
provide any normative guidance in the frequency
values of the permitted bands
</span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:blue"
lang="EN-US">in addition to applicable SFCG bands
by the space systems using the wireless
terrestrial standards covered in this book.
Consequently, the following implications for the
frequency selection are to be followed:</span></b><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="color:black;background:aqua" lang="EN-US">The
frequency band choices for lunar
<b>or martian </b>surface wireless transmissions
could be impacted by ITU REC [</span><span
style="background:aqua" lang="EN-US">38<span
style="color:black">] and by the Radio Regulation
[39] applicable in the Shielded Zone of the Moon
(SZM). Therefore,
</span><b><span style="color:#00B050">Adopters</span><span
style="color:black"> </span>
</b>must ensure compatibility with ITU Radio
Regulations.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span
style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#00B050;background:aqua" lang="EN-US">è</span></b><b><span
style="color:#00B050;background:aqua" lang="EN-US">OK</span></b><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">The
</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">"</span><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue"
lang="EN-US">use of any frequency band</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">" shall be verified liaising with RFM
WG before selecting any of non-SFCG wireless
frequency band.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span
style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#00B050"
lang="EN-US">è</span></b><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#00B050"
lang="EN-US"> OK</span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><s><span
lang="EN-US">Special attention shall be given to
the
<b>2483.5-2500 MHz band, which is </b></span></s><b><s><span
style="font-size:14.0pt" lang="EN-US">the only</span></s></b><b><s><span
lang="EN-US"> SFCG band potentially overlapped
by one of the numerous “non-SFCG compatible”
wireless standards of the red book (see
informational note in section … for more
detail).</span></s></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span
style="font-family:Wingdings;color:red"
lang="EN-US">è</span></b><b><span
style="color:red" lang="EN-US"> NOT OK:
</span></b><span style="color:red" lang="EN-US">shall
be separate due to the very specific and unique
issue as justified above, and shall be
<b>normative</b> ( not an informational note which <b>would
not protect</b> Radio Astronomy in the SZM
<b>from the heavy threat</b> mentioned )</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span
style="color:red" lang="EN-US">Remark:</span></b><span
style="color:red"> moreover, the proposed text here
<b>highlight that most of the wireless standards of
the red book are not SFCG-compatible</b>: this is
true, I agree this to be mentioned elsewere (non
normative note; not in this paragraph) in the red
book</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span
style="color:#00B050;background:aqua" lang="EN-US">Space
Agencies</span></b><b><span
style="background:aqua" lang="EN-US">
</span></b><span style="background:aqua"
lang="EN-US">must ensure clearance for an SFCG
Waiver when the chosen frequency band is not
recommended in [33]
<b>or in [40]</b>.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsolistparagraph"><span
style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#00B050"
lang="EN-US">è</span><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#00B050"
lang="EN-US"> OK</span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
lang="EN-US">A Frequency Usage Verification
Procedure needs to be followed as it is defined by
the responsible bodies, that can be SLS RLM WG.</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsolistparagraph"><span
style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#00B050"
lang="EN-US">è</span><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#00B050"
lang="EN-US"> OK</span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> <span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsolistparagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">3)</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">
</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">new proposals taking into account you
proposal Kevin:</span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">To put at the end of paragraph 3.1
(Overview) one of the 2 version of the assembled
paragraph</span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsolistparagraph"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsolistparagraph"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">option 1:</span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;background:aqua"
lang="EN-US">This recommended standard does not
provide any normative guidance in the frequency
values of the permitted bands
</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;background:lime"
lang="EN-US">in addition to the applicable SFCG
band</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;background:aqua"
lang="EN-US"> by the space systems using the
wireless terrestrial standards covered in this
book. Consequently, the following implications for
the frequency selection are to be followed:</span></b><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" type="1" start="1">
<li class="xmsonormal" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="background:aqua" lang="EN-US">The
frequency band choices for lunar or martian
surface wireless transmissions could be impacted
by ITU REC [38] and by the Radio Regulation [39]
applicable in the Shielded Zone of the Moon
(SZM). Therefore, Adopters must ensure
compatibility with ITU Radio Regulations.</span></b><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="xmsonormal" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;background:aqua"
lang="EN-US">The
</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;background:aqua"
lang="EN-US">"</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;background:aqua"
lang="EN-US">use of any frequency band</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;background:aqua"
lang="EN-US">" shall be verified liaising with
RFM WG before selecting any of non-SFCG wireless
frequency band.</span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="xmsonormal" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="background:aqua" lang="EN-US">Space
Agencies must ensure clearance for an SFCG
Waiver when the chosen frequency band is not
recommended in [33] or in [40].</span></b><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="xmsonormal" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="background:aqua" lang="EN-US">A Frequency
Usage Verification Procedure needs to be
followed as it is defined by the responsible
bodies, that can be SLS RLM WG.</span></b><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsolistparagraph"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">option 2 :</span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;background:aqua"
lang="EN-US">This recommended standard does not
provide any normative guidance in the frequency
values of the permitted bands
</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;background:lime"
lang="EN-US">[</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:16.0pt;background:lime"
lang="EN-US">in addition to the applicable SFCG
band to protect (2483.5-2500 MHz)]</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;background:aqua"
lang="EN-US"> by the space systems using the
wireless terrestrial standards covered in this
book. Consequently, the following implications for
the frequency selection are to be followed:</span></b><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" type="1" start="1">
<li class="xmsonormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><b><span
style="background:aqua" lang="EN-US">The
frequency band choices for lunar or martian
surface wireless transmissions could be impacted
by ITU REC [38] and by the Radio Regulation [39]
applicable in the Shielded Zone of the Moon
(SZM). Therefore, Adopters must ensure
compatibility with ITU Radio Regulations.</span></b><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="xmsonormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;background:aqua"
lang="EN-US">The
</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;background:aqua"
lang="EN-US">"</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;background:aqua"
lang="EN-US">use of any frequency band</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;background:aqua"
lang="EN-US">" shall be verified liaising with
RFM WG before selecting any of non-SFCG wireless
frequency band.</span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="xmsonormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><b><span
style="background:aqua" lang="EN-US">Space
Agencies must ensure clearance for an SFCG
Waiver when the chosen frequency band is not
recommended in [33] or in [40].</span></b><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="xmsonormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><b><span
style="background:aqua" lang="EN-US">A Frequency
Usage Verification Procedure needs to be
followed as it is defined by the responsible
bodies, that can be SLS RLM WG.</span></b><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">In addition, the 3 partially redoundant
paragraphs on this in chapter 3 are proposed to be
removed.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">The more important issue to reach
consensus hopefully:</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US">Mandatorily normative statement in
chapter 3 : in paragraph 3.3.1</span></b><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US">In any case, radiated volontary
emissions (in allocated channels) and unvolontary
emissions (from corresponding spurious) made by RF
wireless transmitting devices of all types in the
lunar or martian environment, which would cause
frequency overlaps with the lunar and martian
communication orbit to surface bands of 2483.5-2500
MHz [33], [40] shall not be permitted. The related
SFCG lower guard band [33], [40] protecting this
orbit to surface band shall not be overlaped. The
Adopter should also</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US"> define an upper guard band to protect
this orbit to surface band<b><span
style="color:#0070C0">.</span></b></span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">For clarity, I updated the red book on
CWE with these proposals, and I joint the
corresponding extract of chapter 3 with all the
proposed updates.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Looking forward a consensus, which
imply an agreement on real protection of Radio
Astronomy in the SZM by normatively not having any
ambiguity on avoiding the overlapping of 2483.5-2500
MHz SFCG orbit to surface band in the CCSDS 883 bleu
book.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">VBR</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Jean-Luc</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="xxmsonormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="FR">De :</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="FR"> Kevin K Gifford <<a
href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</a>>
<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> jeudi 17 juin 2021 16:13<br>
<b>À :</b> <a
href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de"
moz-do-not-send="true">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a>;
Issler Jean-Luc <<a
href="mailto:Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr"
moz-do-not-send="true">Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr</a>>;
<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>;
<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">
peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a><br>
<b>Cc :</b> <a
href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a>;
<a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a>;
<a href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">
stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a>; <a
href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re:
Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span lang="FR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="FR">Dear Martin, Dear All - </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="FR"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="FR">@Martin: Thank you for the suggested
input. </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="FR"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="FR">As SOIS-WIR WG Chair, I would support
Martin's proposal and I believe that NASA would
support this proposal as well with the (Martin's)
proposed text up front in Section 3.1.</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="FR"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="FR">@Jean-Luc: Can CNES accept Martin's
proposal?</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="FR"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="FR">Thanks to all for the hard work and
professionalism displayed dealing with this
important concern.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="FR"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="FR">Kevin</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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align="center"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="FR">
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="FR">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="FR">
<a href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de"
moz-do-not-send="true">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a>
<<a href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de"
moz-do-not-send="true">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 17, 2021 7:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr"
moz-do-not-send="true">Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr</a>
<<a href="mailto:Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr"
moz-do-not-send="true">Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr</a>>;
Kevin K Gifford <<a
href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</a>>;
<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>
<<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>
<<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a
href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a>
<<a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a>
<<a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a>
<<a href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a>>;
<a href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a>
<<a href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> AW: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re:
Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE</span><span
lang="FR">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span lang="FR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="xxxmsonormal">Dear all,<span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"> <span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">I can
confirm and support the CNES statement regarding
the ITU Regulation concerning the Shielded side
of the moon, since this is also the main concern
by the German radio astronomers as from a
statement made by our SFCG representative Mr.
Ewald. So, it should be clarified “that using
LTE on the moon is not violating the RR and this
usage is compatible with existing regulation” as
Mr. Ewald stated regarding this specific issue.</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">I am not
sure if this is possible, but I would suggest to
compress all relevant information to one
statement, as all of them are connected to each
other, and the reader (the later adaptor/ system
architect) directly knows the conditions under
which he needs select the frequency band, who
is responsible for what and which actions items
he needs to work through. It is more clear to
the reader and the most important information is
at one place. It would be maybe something like
this:</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">This recommended standard does not
provide any normative guidance in the frequency
values of the permitted bands
</span><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:blue"
lang="EN-US">in addition to applicable SFCG
bands by the space systems using the wireless
terrestrial standards covered in this book.
Consequently, the following implications for
the frequency selection are to be followed:</span></b><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" type="1" start="1">
<li class="xmsonormal"
style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"><span
style="background:aqua" lang="EN-US">The
frequency band choices for lunar
<b>or martian </b>surface wireless
transmissions could be impacted by ITU REC [</span><span
style="color:windowtext;background:aqua"
lang="EN-US">38</span><span
style="background:aqua" lang="EN-US">] and by
the Radio Regulation [39] applicable in the
Shielded Zone of the Moon (SZM). Therefore, </span><b><span
style="color:#00B050;background:aqua"
lang="EN-US">Adopters</span></b><b><span
style="background:aqua" lang="EN-US">
</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext;background:aqua"
lang="EN-US">must ensure compatibility with
ITU Radio Regulations.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="xmsonormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1
lfo3"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">The
</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">"</span><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue"
lang="EN-US">use of any frequency band</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">" shall be verified liaising with
RFM WG before selecting any of non-SFCG
wireless frequency band.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="xmsonormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1
lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">Special attention shall
be given to the
<b>2483.5-2500 MHz band, which is </b></span><b><span
style="font-size:14.0pt" lang="EN-US">the
only</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US"> SFCG
band potentially overlapped by one of the
numerous “non-SFCG compatible” wireless
standards of the red book (see informational
note in section … for more detail).</span></b><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="xmsonormal"
style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"><b><span
style="color:#00B050;background:aqua"
lang="EN-US">Space Agencies</span></b><b><span
style="color:windowtext;background:aqua"
lang="EN-US">
</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext;background:aqua"
lang="EN-US">must ensure clearance for an SFCG
Waiver when the chosen frequency band is not
recommended in [33]
<b>or in [40]</b>.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="xmsonormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1
lfo3"><span lang="EN-US">A Frequency Usage
Verification Procedure needs to be followed as
it is defined by the responsible bodies, that
can be SLS RLM WG.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best
regards</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Martin</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><b>Von:</b> Issler
Jean-Luc <<a
href="mailto:Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr"
moz-do-not-send="true">Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr</a>>
<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2021 19:25<br>
<b>An:</b> Drobczyk, Martin <<a
href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de"
moz-do-not-send="true">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a>>;
<a href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</a>;
<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>; <a
href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a
href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a>;
<a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a>;
<a href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">
stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a>; <a
href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> RE: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re:
Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE<span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"> <span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="FR">Dear Kevin, dear all,</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="FR"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Please find here the attached CNES
answers and proposals, looking forward your
understanding of CNES and Radio Astronomers high
level concerns, and a consensus.</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Have a nice day; VBR</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Jean-Luc</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><b><span lang="FR">De :</span></b><span
lang="FR"> <a
href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de"
moz-do-not-send="true">
Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a> <<a
href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de"
moz-do-not-send="true">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a>>
<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 16 juin 2021 07:50<br>
<b>À :</b> <a
href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</a>;
Issler Jean-Luc <<a
href="mailto:Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr"
moz-do-not-send="true">Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr</a>>;
<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>;
<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">
peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a><br>
<b>Cc :</b> <a
href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a>;
<a
href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a>;
<a href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">
stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a>; <a
href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> AW: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL]
Re: Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="FR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal">Hi all,<span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"> <span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">number 1
is a very important statement/requirement (maybe
the most important) and already builds the
framework for number 3 which can be from my
point of view an informational note, as long as
number 1 is a requirement. Because the statement
in number 1 delegates the frequency selection
and verification to the bodies and authorized
representatives responsible for it. And it
clearly and implicitly states, that this book
recommends the wireless terrestrial standards
but without any guarantee and authority to use
them in the terrestrial bands, but instead be
(always) compliant with any SFCG and SLS RFM
decisions, clauses or normative statements
regarding frequency selection.</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">For this
reason, I would also agree with Kevin that
number 2 is out of the scope of this document as
it is already enclosed in the statement of
number 1 “.. verified liaising with RFM WG..”,
and the verification process needs to be
established there.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best
regards</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Martin</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><b>Von:</b> Kevin K
Gifford <<a
href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</a>>
<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 15. Juni 2021 18:07<br>
<b>An:</b> Issler Jean-Luc <<a
href="mailto:Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr"
moz-do-not-send="true">Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr</a>>;
<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>;
Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a
href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ray Wagner <<a
href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a>>;
Lansdowne, Chatwin (JSC-EV811) <<a
href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a>>;
Stephen Braham <<a
href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a>>;
Cascarano, Brian (ASC/CSA) <<a
href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a>>;
Kevin K Gifford <<a
href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</a>>;
Drobczyk, Martin <<a
href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de"
moz-do-not-send="true">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re:
Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE<span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"> <span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">[ + Peter
Shames ]</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black">Dear Jean-Luc - </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black">Thank you for your
updated proposal. I believe we are getting
close to a resolution and again am very
thankful to be addressing this issue with
yourself and CNES.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black">Thanks also for
acknowledging that CNES is aware of the
directions provided by Peter Shames (CESG)
to the SOIS-WIR WG on this issue. Per Peter
Shames' instructions, the CCSDS-883-0-R-0
document:</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black">-- Shall state
normatively that all spectrum coordination<span
class="xxxapple-converted-space"> </span><b>must</b><span
class="xxxapple-converted-space"> </span>go
through the SLS-RFM and the SFCG</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black">--<span
class="xxxapple-converted-space"> </span><b>Cannot</b><span
class="xxxapple-converted-space"> </span>make
any<span class="xxxapple-converted-space"> </span><u>normative</u><span
class="xxxapple-converted-space"> </span>statements
regarding frequency assignments</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black">The SOIS-WIR
counter proposal is as follows:</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black">----- 1 -------</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black">[Accept] </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black">A requirement shall
be added to section 3 to state that: "use of
/ allocation of frequencies" shall be
verified liaising with RFM WG before
selecting any of non-SFCG wireless frequency
band with a NOTE remarking that "This
recommended standard does not provide
normative guidance in the frequency values
of the permitted bands to be used by the
wireless terrestrial standards in addition
to applicable SFCG bands"</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black;background:white">-----
2 -------</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black">[Reject]</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black">The added
requirement shall be reflected in the PICS
Annex by a relevant "Frequency Usage
Verification Procedure" to be added to the
existing Network Connectivity Verification
Procedure, Network Performance Verification
Procedure, QoS Verification Procedure.</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black">Rationale: The
CCSDS Yellow Book is required for
interoperability conformance verifications.
A "SLS-RFM or SFCG" Frequency Verification
Procedure is out of scope for
CCDSD-883-0-R-0; SOIS-WIR firmly believes
this procedure is in purview of SLS-RFM.</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black;background:white">-----
3 -------</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p><span style="color:black">For the CNES
proposed text below the SOIS-WIR WG will
accept this text as an<span
class="xxxapple-converted-space"> </span><b>Informational
Note</b><span
class="xxxapple-converted-space"> </span>but
not as a Normative statement:</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black;background:yellow">In
any case, radiated volontary emissions (in
allocated channels) and unvolontary
emissions (from corresponding spurious) made
by RF wireless transmitting devices of all
types in the lunar or martian environment,
which would cause frequency overlaps with
the lunar and martian communication orbit to
surface bands of <s>(1)</s> 2483.5-2500 MHz
[33], [40]<s>; or (2) <b>a</b> 3.5 MHz upper
guard band between 2500 MHz and 2503.5
MHz; or (3) as well as the 3.5 MHz lower
guard band between 2480 MHz and 2483.5 MHz
[33], [40],</s> shall not be permitted.</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black;background:yellow"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black;background:yellow">The
related SFCG lower guard band [33], [40]
protecting this lunar and martian
communication orbit to surface band shall
not be overlaped. SFCG will define the
related upper guard band [33], [40] after
the publication of this Bleu Book. This
upper guard band, when defined, shall not be
overlaped. </span><s><span
style="color:#0070C0;background:yellow">By</span></s><span
style="color:#0070C0;background:yellow"> W</span><span
style="color:black;background:yellow">aiting
the SFCG definition of this upper guard
band, the Adopter should </span><b><span
style="color:#0070C0;background:yellow">define
this upper guard band by using the “</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0070C0;background:yellow">Frequency
Usage Verification Procedure” of the PICS
Annex</span><span
style="color:#0070C0;background:yellow">.</span></b><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black;background:yellow"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="margin-left:27.0pt;text-indent:-27.0pt"><span
style="color:#201F1E">[40] </span><i><span
style="color:black">Frequency assignment
guidelines for communications in the Mars
region</span></i><span style="color:black">.
Space Frequency Coordination Group.
Recommendation SFCG 22-1R3. </span><span
style="color:#201F1E;background:yellow">Reference
[40] will become SFCG 22-1R4 when this SFCG
Recommendation will be edited.</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black">Rationale: Per CESG
instructions, no normative statements
regarding spectrum bands, channels or guard
bands are to be allowed.. in
CCSDS-883-0-R-0.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black">The SOIS-WIR WG
will publicize/discuss the above proposal
with Peter Shames to ensure that our Working
Groupo is properly following CESG
expectations.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black">Jean-Luc: Would
CNES accept the above proposal?</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black">Thanks.</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><span style="color:black">Kevin</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xxxmsonormal"><b><span
style="color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="color:black"> SOIS-WIR <<a
href="mailto:sois-wir-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">sois-wir-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>
on behalf of Issler Jean-Luc <<a
href="mailto:Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr"
moz-do-not-send="true">Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>
<<a
href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [SOIS-WIR] TR: AW: AW: AW:
[EXTERNAL] Re: Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the
CWE</span>
<span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="xxxmsonormal"> <span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Dear all,</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Please find here a wording for
an updated proposal : modifications of the
first paragraph are tracked, and a second
paragraph has been added in order to not
write any guard band bandwidth value (as
proposed by Mr Shame in his E-mail bellow),
and to not preclude about future SFCG
decisions
<b>while protecting Radio Astronomy</b>,
this last point beeing as you know a very
important challenge for CNES and the Radio
Astronomers, very concerned about this guard
band issue.
</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US">In any case, radiated volontary
emissions (in allocated channels) and
unvolontary emissions (from corresponding
spurious) made by RF wireless transmitting
devices of all types in the lunar or martian
environment, which would cause frequency
overlaps with the lunar and martian
communication<span
class="xxxxapple-converted-space"> </span>orbit
to surface<span
class="xxxxapple-converted-space"> </span>bands
of <s>(1)</s> 2483.5-2500 MHz [33], [40]<s>;
or (2) <b>a</b> 3.5 MHz upper guard band
between 2500 MHz and 2503.5 MHz; or (3)
as well as the 3.5 MHz lower guard band
between 2480 MHz and 2483.5 MHz [33],
[40],</s> shall not be permitted.</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US">The related SFCG lower guard
band [33], [40] protecting this lunar and
martian communication<span
class="xxxxapple-converted-space"> </span>orbit
to surface<span
class="xxxxapple-converted-space"> </span>band
shall not be overlaped. SFCG will define the
related upper guard band [33], [40] after
the publication of this Bleu Book. This
upper guard band, when defined, shall not be
overlaped.
</span><s><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0070C0;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US">By</span></s><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0070C0;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US"> W</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US">aiting the SFCG definition of
this upper guard band, the Adopter should </span><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0070C0;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US">define this upper guard band
by using the “</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0070C0;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US">Frequency Usage Verification
Procedure” of the PICS Annex</span></b><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0070C0;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US">.</span></b><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"
style="margin-left:27.0pt;text-indent:-27.0pt"><span
lang="EN-US">[40]
<i><span style="color:black">Frequency
assignment guidelines for communications
in the Mars region</span></i><span
style="color:black">. Space Frequency
Coordination Group. Recommendation SFCG
22-1R3.
</span><span style="background:yellow">Reference
[40] will become SFCG 22-1R4 when this
SFCG Recommendation will be edited.</span></span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"
style="margin-left:27.0pt;text-indent:-27.0pt"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">What do you think please ?</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">What do you think about the
update proposal of the note
<span style="background:aqua">in blue</span>
bellow please ?</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Following Mr Shame’s message
bellow, and some discussions that occur, it
is not clear enougth in the 883B red book
weather the wireless architecture standard
refering to a certain number of terrestrial
wireless standards is normative regarding
the wireless standard frequencies or not.
According to Mr Shame, the wireless
frequencies shall not be normative. To make
this ambiguity desapear, CNES proposes to
add in the normative chapter 3 the
following:</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">1)</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="EN-US">
</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">A requirement shall be added
to section 3 to state that:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">"</span><b><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue"
lang="EN-US">use of / allocation of
frequencies</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">" shall be verified liaising
with RFM WG before selecting any of non-SFCG
wireless frequency band with a NOTE
remarking that</span><span lang="EN-US">
</span><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">"</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue"
lang="EN-US">This recommended standard
does not provide normative guidance in the
frequency values of the permited bands to
be used by the wireless terrestrial
standards in addition to applicable SFCG
bands</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">"</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:18.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">2) The added requirement
shall be reflected in the PICS Annex by a
relevant "Frequency Usage Verification
Procedure"</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> to be added to the existing
Network Connectivity Verification Procedure,
Network Performance Verification Procedure,
QoS Verification Procedure.</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">What do you think about this
proposal following Mr Shame’s remarks
</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Looking forward a consensus, in
order to make all the CNES RIDs to have
disposition, and to have a normative guard
band text (<i>without any guard band
bandwidth value</i> <i>as now wished</i>)
letting a chance for Radio Astronomy
continuum observations in the Shielded Zone
of the Moon.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">VBR</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Jean-Luc</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"><br>
</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F"
lang="EN-US">From: </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">"Shames, Peter M (US 312B)"
<</span><span lang="FR"><a
href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">></span><span lang="EN-US">
<br>
</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F"
lang="EN-US">To: </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">"Gian Paolo Calzolari" <</span><span
lang="FR"><a
href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">>, "Gilles Moury" <</span><span
lang="FR"><a
href="mailto:Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">>, "</span><span lang="FR"><a
href="mailto:Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">" <</span><span lang="FR"><a
href="mailto:Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">></span><span lang="EN-US">
<br>
</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F"
lang="EN-US">Cc: </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">"Wilmot, Jonathan J.
(GSFC-5820)" <</span><span lang="FR"><a
href="mailto:jonathan.j.wilmot@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">jonathan.j.wilmot@nasa.gov</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">>, "Wagner, Raymond S.
(JSC-EV811)" <</span><span lang="FR"><a
href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">>, "Kevin K Gifford" <</span><span
lang="FR"><a
href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">>, "Lee, Dennis K (US 332G)"
<</span><span lang="FR"><a
href="mailto:dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">></span><span lang="EN-US">
<br>
</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F"
lang="EN-US">Date: </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">09/06/21 23:58</span><span
lang="EN-US">
<br>
</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F"
lang="EN-US">Subject: </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">Potential SLS / RFM issue</span><span
lang="EN-US">
</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"
align="center"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif" lang="FR">
<hr style="color:#A0A0A0" width="100%"
size="2" noshade="noshade" align="center">
</span></div>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="FR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">Dear Gippo, Gilles, and Enrico,</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">I just had a discussion with a
couple of the SOIS Wireless (WIR) WG guys,
Gifford and Wagner. I think that the major
issues that I perceived, vis-à-vis handling
their “near-by” link layer protocols in a
fashion consistent with the rest of the
space link protocols has been dealt with.
In the SANA we will treat them as two
separate protocols from the rest of the SLS
standards, and we will register the
identifiers assigned by their “home”
standards organizations in their own SANA
SCID registries. </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">The reference to SANA SCID
registries, of course, implies that they
will also need to align with the Q-SCID
frequency bands as well, and those are
aligned with RFM WG and SFCG practices. I
do not believe that any of you have an issue
with any of this. </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">The WG has experienced some
push back, from both NASA and CNES members,
regarding the inclusion of statements about
frequency bands or frequency allocations in
any bands. I have advised the SOIS WIR to
not provide any sort of normative guidance
in this matter and to defer to the RFM WG
for all questions regarding use of /
allocation of frequencies. This is under
the assumption that you will, in turn, rely
upon the SFCG to provide the formal guidance
and frequency allocations in accordance with
established international practices and
regulations.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">I am writing now just to
ascertain that you all concur. I believe
that the SOIS WIR needs to just acknowledge
this situation and, for questions about
frequency allocations, to guide the users of
these standards to the RFM WG and the SFCG.</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">Do you agree?</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">Thanks, Peter</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">De :</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> Issler Jean-Luc
<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 8 juin 2021 19:15<br>
<b>À :</b> 'Kevin K Gifford' <</span><span
lang="FR"><a
href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">><br>
<b>Cc :</b> </span><span lang="FR"><a
href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">;
</span><span lang="FR"><a
href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">;
</span><span lang="FR"><a
href="mailto:david.ni-1@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">david.ni-1@nasa.gov</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">;
</span><span lang="FR"><a
href="mailto:Andre.Luebken@dlr.de"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">Andre.Luebken@dlr.de</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">; warp <</span><span
lang="FR"><a
href="mailto:warp@polylab.sfu.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">warp@polylab.sfu.ca</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">>;
</span><span lang="FR"><a
href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">; Ray Wagner <</span><span
lang="FR"><a
href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">><br>
<b>Objet :</b> RE: AW: AW: AW:
[EXTERNAL] Re: Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0
on the CWE</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Dear all, and thank you
Stephen, Martin and Kevin for your updates</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Please find here CNES proposal</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US">In any case, radiated
<b>volontary </b>emissions (in allocated
channels<b>)</b> and <b>unvolontary
emissions (</b>from corresponding
spurious) made by RF wireless transmitting
devices of all types in the lunar or martian
environment, which
<b>would </b> cause frequency overlaps with
the lunar and martian communication<span
class="xxxxapple-converted-space"> </span><b>orbit
to surface</b><span
class="xxxxapple-converted-space"> </span>bands
of (1) 2483.5-2500 MHz [33], [40]; or (2)
<b>a</b> 3.5 MHz upper guard band between
2500 MHz and 2503.5 MHz; or (3) as well as
the 3.5 MHz lower guard band between 2480
MHz and 2483.5 MHz [33], [40], <b>shall
</b>not be permitted.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Ref [40] is:</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"
style="margin-left:27.0pt;text-indent:-27.0pt"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"
style="margin-left:27.0pt;text-indent:-27.0pt"><span
lang="EN-US">[40]
<i><span style="color:black">Frequency
assignment guidelines for communications
in the Mars region</span></i><span
style="color:black">. Space Frequency
Coordination Group. Recommendation SFCG
22-1R3.</span></span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">As already explained, for CNES,
the 3GPP terrestrial standard in the
2496-2620 MHz band (not SFCG) cannot be
normative (with the discussed band
restriction), if the discussed bands to
protect (orbit to surface band and its guard
bands) are not normatively protected. This
text shall therefore effectively be out of a
NOTE.
</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"
style="margin-left:58.5pt;text-indent:-58.5pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">We propose this text above to
be just before the NOTEs of paragraph 3.1.1
GENERAL ( Alternatively, this text above
could be just before the NOTE of paragraph
3.1 OVERVIEW )</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"
style="margin-left:58.5pt;text-indent:-58.5pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Since the EARFCN paragraph is
proposed to be not kept, the related
references [40] and [41] on E UTRA appearing
in this paragraph are proposed to be
removed, and the martian SFCG doc would have
reference [40].</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">We also propose to update the
last NOTE of paragraph 3.1.1 as follows:</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"
style="margin-left:58.5pt;text-indent:-58.5pt"><span
style="color:black;background:aqua"
lang="EN-US">The frequency band choices for
lunar
<b>or martian </b>surface wireless
transmissions could be impacted by ITU REC [</span><span
style="background:aqua" lang="EN-US">38<span
style="color:black">] and by the Radio
Regulation [39] applicable in the Shielded
Zone of the Moon (SZM).
</span><b><span style="color:#00B050">Adopters</span><span
style="color:black"> </span>
</b>must also ensure compatibility with ITU
Radio Regulations, and <b><span
style="color:#00B050">Space Agencies</span>
</b>must ensure clearance for an SFCG Waiver
when the chosen frequency band is not
recommended in [33]
<b>or in [40]</b>.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"
style="margin-left:58.5pt;text-indent:-58.5pt"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">I uploaded on CWE a new version
of the red book with all the proposed
updates (without the ones
</span><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#00B050"
lang="EN-US">in green</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> that I realized after to be
needed).</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">It is mandatory for CNES to
have consensus on the proposals in this
E-mail before our WG to submit to SESG a
resolution for publication of 883-0-R-0 :
looking forward a consensus.</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Have a nice day/evening VBR</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Jean-Luc</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xxxxmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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