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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Kevin, dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Please find here the attached CNES answers and proposals, looking forward your understanding of CNES and Radio Astronomers high level concerns, and a consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Have a nice day; VBR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Jean-Luc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>De :</b> Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de <Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de> <br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 16 juin 2021 07:50<br>
<b>À :</b> kevin.gifford@colorado.edu; Issler Jean-Luc <Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr>; sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org; peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov<br>
<b>Cc :</b> raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov; chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov; stephen_braham@sfu.ca; brian.cascarano@canada.ca<br>
<b>Objet :</b> AW: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">number 1 is a very important statement/requirement (maybe the most important) and already builds the framework for number 3 which can be from my point of view an informational note,
as long as number 1 is a requirement. Because the statement in number 1 delegates the frequency selection and verification to the bodies and authorized representatives responsible for it. And it clearly and implicitly states, that this book recommends the
wireless terrestrial standards but without any guarantee and authority to use them in the terrestrial bands, but instead be (always) compliant with any SFCG and SLS RFM decisions, clauses or normative statements regarding frequency selection.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">For this reason, I would also agree with Kevin that number 2 is out of the scope of this document as it is already enclosed in the statement of number 1 “.. verified liaising with RFM
WG..”, and the verification process needs to be established there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Martin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE"> Kevin K Gifford <<a href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</a>>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 15. Juni 2021 18:07<br>
<b>An:</b> Issler Jean-Luc <<a href="mailto:Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr">Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr</a>>;
<a href="mailto:sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org">sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org</a>; Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ray Wagner <<a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a>>; Lansdowne, Chatwin (JSC-EV811) <<a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a>>; Stephen Braham <<a href="mailto:stephen_braham@sfu.ca">stephen_braham@sfu.ca</a>>;
Cascarano, Brian (ASC/CSA) <<a href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</a>>; Kevin K Gifford <<a href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</a>>; Drobczyk, Martin <<a href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">[ + Peter Shames ]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">Dear Jean-Luc - </span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black"> </span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">Thank you for your updated proposal. I believe we are getting close to a resolution and again am very thankful to be addressing this issue with yourself and CNES.</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black"> </span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">Thanks also for acknowledging that CNES is aware of the directions provided by Peter Shames (CESG) to the SOIS-WIR WG on this issue. Per Peter Shames' instructions, the CCSDS-883-0-R-0 document:</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">-- Shall state normatively that all spectrum coordination<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>must</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>go through the SLS-RFM and the SFCG</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">--<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Cannot</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>make any<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><u>normative</u><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>statements
regarding frequency assignments</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black"> </span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">The SOIS-WIR counter proposal is as follows:</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">----- 1 -------</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">[Accept] </span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">A requirement shall be added to section 3 to state that: "use of / allocation of frequencies" shall be verified liaising with RFM WG before selecting any of non-SFCG wireless frequency band with a NOTE remarking that "This
recommended standard does not provide normative guidance in the frequency values of the permitted bands to be used by the wireless terrestrial standards in addition to applicable SFCG bands"</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black"> </span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black"> </span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black;background:white">----- 2 -------</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">[Reject]</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">The added requirement shall be reflected in the PICS Annex by a relevant "Frequency Usage Verification Procedure" to be added to the existing Network Connectivity Verification Procedure, Network Performance Verification
Procedure, QoS Verification Procedure.</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black"> </span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">Rationale: The CCSDS Yellow Book is required for interoperability conformance verifications. A "SLS-RFM or SFCG" Frequency Verification Procedure is out of scope for CCDSD-883-0-R-0; SOIS-WIR firmly believes this procedure
is in purview of SLS-RFM.</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black"> </span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black"> </span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black;background:white">----- 3 -------</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">For the CNES proposed text below the SOIS-WIR WG will accept this text as an<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Informational Note</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>but not as a Normative statement:</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black"> </span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black;background:yellow">In any case, radiated volontary emissions (in allocated channels) and unvolontary emissions (from corresponding spurious) made by RF wireless transmitting devices of all types in the lunar or martian
environment, which would cause frequency overlaps with the lunar and martian communication orbit to surface bands of <s>(1)</s> 2483.5-2500 MHz [33], [40]<s>; or (2) <b>a</b> 3.5 MHz upper guard band between 2500 MHz and 2503.5 MHz; or (3) as well as the
3.5 MHz lower guard band between 2480 MHz and 2483.5 MHz [33], [40],</s> shall not be permitted.</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black;background:yellow"> </span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black;background:yellow">The related SFCG lower guard band [33], [40] protecting this lunar and martian communication orbit to surface band shall not be overlaped. SFCG will define the related upper guard band [33], [40] after
the publication of this Bleu Book. This upper guard band, when defined, shall not be overlaped. </span><s><span lang="DE" style="color:#0070C0;background:yellow">By</span></s><span lang="DE" style="color:#0070C0;background:yellow"> W</span><span lang="DE" style="color:black;background:yellow">aiting
the SFCG definition of this upper guard band, the Adopter should </span><b><span lang="DE" style="color:#0070C0;background:yellow">define this upper guard band by using the “</span></b><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0070C0;background:yellow">Frequency
Usage Verification Procedure” of the PICS Annex</span></b><b><span lang="DE" style="color:#0070C0;background:yellow">.</span></b><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:27.0pt;text-indent:-27.0pt"><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E">[40] </span><i><span lang="DE" style="color:black">Frequency assignment guidelines for communications in the Mars region</span></i><span lang="DE" style="color:black">.
Space Frequency Coordination Group. Recommendation SFCG 22-1R3. </span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E;background:yellow">Reference [40] will become SFCG 22-1R4 when this SFCG Recommendation will be edited.</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">Rationale: Per CESG instructions, no normative statements regarding spectrum bands, channels or guard bands are to be allowed.. in CCSDS-883-0-R-0.</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">The SOIS-WIR WG will publicize/discuss the above proposal with Peter Shames to ensure that our Working Groupo is properly following CESG expectations.</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">Jean-Luc: Would CNES accept the above proposal?</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">Thanks.</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">Kevin</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#201F1E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:04 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [SOIS-WIR] TR: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE</span><span lang="DE">
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dear all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Please find here a wording for an updated proposal : modifications of the first paragraph are tracked, and a second paragraph has been added in
order to not write any guard band bandwidth value (as proposed by Mr Shame in his E-mail bellow), and to not preclude about future SFCG decisions
<b>while protecting Radio Astronomy</b>, this last point beeing as you know a very important challenge for CNES and the Radio Astronomers, very concerned about this guard band issue.
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow">In any case, radiated volontary emissions (in allocated channels) and unvolontary emissions (from corresponding spurious) made by RF wireless transmitting
devices of all types in the lunar or martian environment, which would cause frequency overlaps with the lunar and martian communication<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>orbit to surface<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>bands of
<s>(1)</s> 2483.5-2500 MHz [33], [40]<s>; or (2) <b>a</b> 3.5 MHz upper guard band between 2500 MHz and 2503.5 MHz; or (3) as well as the 3.5 MHz lower guard band between 2480 MHz and 2483.5 MHz [33], [40],</s> shall not be permitted.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow">The related SFCG lower guard band [33], [40] protecting this lunar and martian communication<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>orbit to
surface<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>band shall not be overlaped. SFCG will define the related upper guard band [33], [40] after the publication of this Bleu Book. This upper guard band, when defined, shall not be overlaped.
</span><s><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0070C0;background:yellow">By</span></s><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0070C0;background:yellow"> W</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow">aiting
the SFCG definition of this upper guard band, the Adopter should </span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0070C0;background:yellow">define this upper guard band by using the “</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0070C0;background:yellow">Frequency
Usage Verification Procedure” of the PICS Annex</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0070C0;background:yellow">.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:27.0pt;text-indent:-27.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">[40]
<i><span style="color:black">Frequency assignment guidelines for communications in the Mars region</span></i><span style="color:black">. Space Frequency Coordination Group. Recommendation SFCG 22-1R3.
</span><span style="background:yellow">Reference [40] will become SFCG 22-1R4 when this SFCG Recommendation will be edited.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">What do you think please ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">What do you think about the update proposal of the note
<span style="background:aqua">in blue</span> bellow please ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Following Mr Shame’s message bellow, and some discussions that occur, it is not clear enougth in the 883B red book weather the wireless architecture
standard refering to a certain number of terrestrial wireless standards is normative regarding the wireless standard frequencies or not. According to Mr Shame, the wireless frequencies shall not be normative. To make this ambiguity desapear, CNES proposes
to add in the normative chapter 3 the following:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">1)</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A requirement shall be added to section 3 to state that:
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue">use of / allocation of frequencies</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"
shall be verified liaising with RFM WG before selecting any of non-SFCG wireless frequency band with a NOTE remarking that</span><span lang="EN-US">
</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue">This recommended standard does not provide normative guidance in the
frequency values of the permited bands to be used by the wireless terrestrial standards in addition to applicable SFCG bands</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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<p style="margin-left:18.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">2) The added requirement shall be reflected in the PICS Annex by a relevant "Frequency Usage Verification Procedure"</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
to be added to the existing Network Connectivity Verification Procedure, Network Performance Verification Procedure, QoS Verification Procedure.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">What do you think about this proposal following Mr Shame’s remarks
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Looking forward a consensus, in order to make all the CNES RIDs to have disposition, and to have a normative guard band text (<i>without any guard
band bandwidth value</i> <i>as now wished</i>) letting a chance for Radio Astronomy continuum observations in the Shielded Zone of the Moon.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Jean-Luc</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Shames, Peter M (US 312B)" <</span><a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">></span><span lang="EN-US">
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Gian Paolo Calzolari" <</span><a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>,
"Gilles Moury" <</span><a href="mailto:Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>, "</span><a href="mailto:Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"
<</span><a href="mailto:Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">></span><span lang="EN-US">
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Cc: </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Wilmot, Jonathan J. (GSFC-5820)" <</span><a href="mailto:jonathan.j.wilmot@nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">jonathan.j.wilmot@nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>,
"Wagner, Raymond S. (JSC-EV811)" <</span><a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>,
"Kevin K Gifford" <</span><a href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>,
"Lee, Dennis K (US 332G)" <</span><a href="mailto:dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">></span><span lang="EN-US">
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">09/06/21 23:58</span><span lang="EN-US">
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Subject: </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Potential SLS / RFM issue</span><span lang="EN-US">
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear Gippo, Gilles, and Enrico,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I just had a discussion with a couple of the SOIS Wireless (WIR) WG guys, Gifford and Wagner. I think that the major issues that I perceived, vis-à-vis handling their “near-by”
link layer protocols in a fashion consistent with the rest of the space link protocols has been dealt with. In the SANA we will treat them as two separate protocols from the rest of the SLS standards, and we will register the identifiers assigned by their
“home” standards organizations in their own SANA SCID registries. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The reference to SANA SCID registries, of course, implies that they will also need to align with the Q-SCID frequency bands as well, and those are aligned with RFM WG and SFCG practices.
I do not believe that any of you have an issue with any of this. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The WG has experienced some push back, from both NASA and CNES members, regarding the inclusion of statements about frequency bands or frequency allocations in any bands. I have
advised the SOIS WIR to not provide any sort of normative guidance in this matter and to defer to the RFM WG for all questions regarding use of / allocation of frequencies. This is under the assumption that you will, in turn, rely upon the SFCG to provide
the formal guidance and frequency allocations in accordance with established international practices and regulations.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I am writing now just to ascertain that you all concur. I believe that the SOIS WIR needs to just acknowledge this situation and, for questions about frequency allocations, to
guide the users of these standards to the RFM WG and the SFCG.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Do you agree?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks, Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">De :</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Issler Jean-Luc
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<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 8 juin 2021 19:15<br>
<b>À :</b> 'Kevin K Gifford' <</span><a href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Cc :</b> </span><a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">;
</span><a href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">;
</span><a href="mailto:david.ni-1@nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">david.ni-1@nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">;
</span><a href="mailto:Andre.Luebken@dlr.de"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Andre.Luebken@dlr.de</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">; warp <</span><a href="mailto:warp@polylab.sfu.ca"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">warp@polylab.sfu.ca</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>;
</span><a href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">; Ray Wagner <</span><a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Objet :</b> RE: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dear all, and thank you Stephen, Martin and Kevin for your updates</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Please find here CNES proposal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow">In any case, radiated
<b>volontary </b>emissions (in allocated channels<b>)</b> and <b>unvolontary emissions (</b>from corresponding spurious) made by RF wireless transmitting devices of all types in the lunar or martian environment, which
<b>would </b> cause frequency overlaps with the lunar and martian communication<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span><b>orbit to surface</b><span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>bands of (1) 2483.5-2500 MHz [33], [40]; or (2)
<b>a</b> 3.5 MHz upper guard band between 2500 MHz and 2503.5 MHz; or (3) as well as the 3.5 MHz lower guard band between 2480 MHz and 2483.5 MHz [33], [40], <b>shall
</b>not be permitted.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Ref [40] is:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:27.0pt;text-indent:-27.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">[40]
<i><span style="color:black">Frequency assignment guidelines for communications in the Mars region</span></i><span style="color:black">. Space Frequency Coordination Group. Recommendation SFCG 22-1R3.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As already explained, for CNES, the 3GPP terrestrial standard in the 2496-2620 MHz band (not SFCG) cannot be normative (with the discussed band
restriction), if the discussed bands to protect (orbit to surface band and its guard bands) are not normatively protected. This text shall therefore effectively be out of a NOTE.
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:58.5pt;text-indent:-58.5pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">We propose this text above to be just before the NOTEs of paragraph 3.1.1 GENERAL ( Alternatively,
this text above could be just before the NOTE of paragraph 3.1 OVERVIEW )</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:58.5pt;text-indent:-58.5pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Since the EARFCN paragraph is proposed to be not kept, the related references [40] and [41] on E
UTRA appearing in this paragraph are proposed to be removed, and the martian SFCG doc would have reference [40].</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">We also propose to update the last NOTE of paragraph 3.1.1 as follows:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:58.5pt;text-indent:-58.5pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;background:aqua">The frequency band choices for lunar
<b>or martian </b>surface wireless transmissions could be impacted by ITU REC [</span><span lang="EN-US" style="background:aqua">38<span style="color:black">] and by the Radio Regulation [39] applicable in the Shielded Zone of the Moon (SZM).
</span><b><span style="color:#00B050">Adopters</span><span style="color:black"> </span>
</b>must also ensure compatibility with ITU Radio Regulations, and <b><span style="color:#00B050">Space Agencies</span>
</b>must ensure clearance for an SFCG Waiver when the chosen frequency band is not recommended in [33]
<b>or in [40]</b>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I uploaded on CWE a new version of the red book with all the proposed updates (without the ones
</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#00B050">in green</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> that I realized after to be needed).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">It is mandatory for CNES to have consensus on the proposals in this E-mail before our WG to submit to SESG a resolution for publication of 883-0-R-0
: looking forward a consensus.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Have a nice day/evening VBR</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Jean-Luc</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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