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<p style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:black">Dear Jean-Luc - </span></p>
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<p style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:black">Thank you for your updated proposal. I believe we are getting close to a resolution and again am very thankful to
be addressing this issue with yourself and CNES.</span></p>
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<p style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:black">Thanks also for acknowledging that CNES is aware of the directions provided by Peter Shames (CESG) to the SOIS-WIR
WG on this issue. Per Peter Shames' instructions, the CCSDS-883-0-R-0 document:</span></p>
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<p style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:black">-- Shall state normatively that all spectrum coordination<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>must</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>go
through the SLS-RFM and the SFCG</span></p>
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<p style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:black">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Cannot</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>make any<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>normative</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>statements
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<p style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:black">The SOIS-WIR counter proposal is as follows:</span></p>
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<p style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:black">[Accept] </span></p>
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<p style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:black">A requirement shall be added to section 3 to state that: "use of / allocation of frequencies" shall be verified liaising
with RFM WG before selecting any of non-SFCG wireless frequency band with a NOTE remarking that "This recommended standard does not provide normative guidance in the frequency values of the permitted bands to be used by the wireless terrestrial standards in
addition to applicable SFCG bands"</span></p>
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<p style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:black">The added requirement shall be reflected in the PICS Annex by a relevant "Frequency Usage Verification Procedure"
to be added to the existing Network Connectivity Verification Procedure, Network Performance Verification Procedure, QoS Verification Procedure.</span></p>
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<p style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:black">Rationale: The CCSDS Yellow Book is required for interoperability conformance verifications. A "SLS-RFM or SFCG"
Frequency Verification Procedure is out of scope for CCDSD-883-0-R-0; SOIS-WIR firmly believes this procedure is in purview of SLS-RFM.</span></p>
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<p style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:black">For the CNES proposed text below the SOIS-WIR WG will accept this text as an<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Informational
Note</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>but not as a Normative statement:</span></p>
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<p style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:black;background-color:yellow">In any case, radiated volontary emissions (in allocated channels) and unvolontary emissions
(from corresponding spurious) made by RF wireless transmitting devices of all types in the lunar or martian environment, which would cause frequency overlaps with the lunar and martian communication orbit to surface bands of<span style="margin:0px"> </span><s>(1)</s><span style="margin:0px"> </span>2483.5-2500
MHz [33], [40]<s>; or (2)<span style="margin:0px"> </span><b>a</b><span style="margin:0px"> </span>3.5 MHz upper guard band between 2500 MHz and 2503.5 MHz; or (3) as well as the 3.5 MHz lower guard band between 2480 MHz and 2483.5 MHz [33], [40],</s> shall
not be permitted.</span><span style="margin:0px"></span></p>
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<p style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:black;background-color:yellow">The related SFCG lower guard band [33], [40] protecting this lunar and martian communication orbit
to surface band shall not be overlaped. SFCG will define the related upper guard band [33], [40] after the publication of this Bleu Book. This upper guard band, when defined, shall not be overlaped.<span style="margin:0px"> </span></span><s><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(0, 112, 192);background-color:yellow">By</span></s><span style="margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(0, 112, 192);background-color:yellow"> </span></span><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(0, 112, 192);background-color:yellow">W</span><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:black;background-color:yellow">aiting
the SFCG definition of this upper guard band, the Adopter should<span style="margin:0px"> </span></span><b><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(0, 112, 192);background-color:yellow">define this upper guard band by using the “</span></b><b><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0, 112, 192);background-color:yellow">Frequency
Usage Verification Procedure” of the PICS Annex</span></b><b><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(0, 112, 192);background-color:yellow">.</span></b><span style="margin:0px"></span></p>
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<span style="margin:0px">[40]<span style="margin:0px"> </span></span><i><span style="margin:0px;color:black">Frequency assignment guidelines for communications in the Mars region</span></i><span style="margin:0px;color:black">. Space Frequency Coordination
Group. Recommendation SFCG 22-1R3.<span style="margin:0px"> </span></span><span style="margin:0px;background-color:yellow">Reference [40] will become SFCG 22-1R4 when this SFCG Recommendation will be edited.</span><span style="margin:0px"></span></p>
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<p style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:black">Rationale: Per CESG instructions, no normative statements regarding spectrum bands, channels or guard bands are to
be allowed.. in CCSDS-883-0-R-0.</span></p>
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<p style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:black">The SOIS-WIR WG will publicize/discuss the above proposal with Peter Shames to ensure that our Working Groupo is properly
following CESG expectations.</span></p>
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<p style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:black">Jean-Luc: Would CNES accept the above proposal?</span></p>
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<p style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:black">Thanks.</span></p>
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<p style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;margin:0px"><span style="margin:0px;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:black">Kevin</span></p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> SOIS-WIR <sois-wir-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Issler Jean-Luc <Jean-Luc.Issler@cnes.fr><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org <sois-wir@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [SOIS-WIR] TR: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE</font>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Dear all,</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Please find here a wording for an updated proposal : modifications of the first paragraph are tracked, and a second paragraph has been added
in order to not write any guard band bandwidth value (as proposed by Mr Shame in his E-mail bellow), and to not preclude about future SFCG decisions
<b>while protecting Radio Astronomy</b>, this last point beeing as you know a very important challenge for CNES and the Radio Astronomers, very concerned about this guard band issue.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow">In any case, radiated volontary emissions (in allocated channels) and unvolontary emissions (from corresponding spurious) made by RF wireless
transmitting devices of all types in the lunar or martian environment, which would cause frequency overlaps with the lunar and martian communication<span class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span>orbit to surface<span class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span>bands
of <s>(1)</s> 2483.5-2500 MHz [33], [40]<s>; or (2) <b>a</b> 3.5 MHz upper guard band between 2500 MHz and 2503.5 MHz; or (3) as well as the 3.5 MHz lower guard band between 2480 MHz and 2483.5 MHz [33], [40],</s> shall not be permitted.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow">The related SFCG lower guard band [33], [40] protecting this lunar and martian communication<span class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span>orbit
to surface<span class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span>band shall not be overlaped. SFCG will define the related upper guard band [33], [40] after the publication of this Bleu Book. This upper guard band, when defined, shall not be overlaped.
</span><s><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#0070C0; background:yellow">By</span></s><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#0070C0; background:yellow"> W</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow">aiting
the SFCG definition of this upper guard band, the Adopter should </span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#0070C0; background:yellow">define this upper guard band by using the “</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#0070C0; background:yellow">Frequency
Usage Verification Procedure” of the PICS Annex</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#0070C0; background:yellow">.</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#0070C0; background:yellow"></span></b></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:27.0pt; text-indent:-27.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">[40]
<i><span style="color:black">Frequency assignment guidelines for communications in the Mars region</span></i><span style="color:black">. Space Frequency Coordination Group. Recommendation SFCG 22-1R3.
</span><span style="background:yellow">Reference [40] will become SFCG 22-1R4 when this SFCG Recommendation will be edited.</span><span style="color:black"></span></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">What do you think please ?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow"></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow"> </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">What do you think about the update proposal of the note
<span style="background:aqua">in blue</span> bellow please ?</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Following Mr Shame’s message bellow, and some discussions that occur, it is not clear enougth in the 883B red book weather the wireless architecture
standard refering to a certain number of terrestrial wireless standards is normative regarding the wireless standard frequencies or not. According to Mr Shame, the wireless frequencies shall not be normative. To make this ambiguity desapear, CNES proposes
to add in the normative chapter 3 the following:</span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:36.0pt; text-indent:-18.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A requirement shall be added to section 3 to state that:
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:blue">use of / allocation of frequencies</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"
shall be verified liaising with RFM WG before selecting any of non-SFCG wireless frequency band with a NOTE remarking that</span><span lang="EN-US">
</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:blue">This recommended standard does not provide normative guidance in the
frequency values of the permited bands to be used by the wireless terrestrial standards in addition to applicable SFCG bands</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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<p style="margin-left:18.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">2) The added requirement shall be reflected in the PICS Annex by a relevant "Frequency Usage Verification Procedure"</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
to be added to the existing Network Connectivity Verification Procedure, Network Performance Verification Procedure, QoS Verification Procedure.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">What do you think about this proposal following Mr Shame’s remarks
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Looking forward a consensus, in order to make all the CNES RIDs to have disposition, and to have a normative guard band text (<i>without any
guard band bandwidth value</i> <i>as now wished</i>) letting a chance for Radio Astronomy continuum observations in the Shielded Zone of the Moon.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">VBR</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Jean-Luc</span></p>
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Shames, Peter M (US 312B)" <</span><a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">></span><span lang="EN-US">
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Gian Paolo Calzolari" <</span><a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>,
"Gilles Moury" <</span><a href="mailto:Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>, "</span><a href="mailto:Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"
<</span><a href="mailto:Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">></span><span lang="EN-US">
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#5F5F5F">Cc: </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Wilmot, Jonathan J. (GSFC-5820)" <</span><a href="mailto:jonathan.j.wilmot@nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">jonathan.j.wilmot@nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>,
"Wagner, Raymond S. (JSC-EV811)" <</span><a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>,
"Kevin K Gifford" <</span><a href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>,
"Lee, Dennis K (US 332G)" <</span><a href="mailto:dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">></span><span lang="EN-US">
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">09/06/21 23:58</span><span lang="EN-US">
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#5F5F5F">Subject: </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Potential SLS / RFM issue</span><span lang="EN-US">
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear Gippo, Gilles, and Enrico,</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I just had a discussion with a couple of the SOIS Wireless (WIR) WG guys, Gifford and Wagner. I think that the major issues that I perceived, vis-à-vis handling their “near-by”
link layer protocols in a fashion consistent with the rest of the space link protocols has been dealt with. In the SANA we will treat them as two separate protocols from the rest of the SLS standards, and we will register the identifiers assigned by their
“home” standards organizations in their own SANA SCID registries. </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The reference to SANA SCID registries, of course, implies that they will also need to align with the Q-SCID frequency bands as well, and those are aligned with RFM WG and SFCG
practices. I do not believe that any of you have an issue with any of this. </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The WG has experienced some push back, from both NASA and CNES members, regarding the inclusion of statements about frequency bands or frequency allocations in any bands. I have
advised the SOIS WIR to not provide any sort of normative guidance in this matter and to defer to the RFM WG for all questions regarding use of / allocation of frequencies. This is under the assumption that you will, in turn, rely upon the SFCG to provide
the formal guidance and frequency allocations in accordance with established international practices and regulations.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I am writing now just to ascertain that you all concur. I believe that the SOIS WIR needs to just acknowledge this situation and, for questions about frequency allocations, to
guide the users of these standards to the RFM WG and the SFCG.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Do you agree?</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks, Peter</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">De :</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Issler Jean-Luc
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<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 8 juin 2021 19:15<br>
<b>À :</b> 'Kevin K Gifford' <</span><a href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Cc :</b> </span><a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">;
</span><a href="mailto:brian.cascarano@canada.ca"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">brian.cascarano@canada.ca</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">;
</span><a href="mailto:david.ni-1@nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">david.ni-1@nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">;
</span><a href="mailto:Andre.Luebken@dlr.de"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Andre.Luebken@dlr.de</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">; warp <</span><a href="mailto:warp@polylab.sfu.ca"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">warp@polylab.sfu.ca</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>;
</span><a href="mailto:Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Martin.Drobczyk@dlr.de</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">; Ray Wagner <</span><a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Objet :</b> RE: AW: AW: AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: Updated CCSDS-883-0-R-0 on the CWE</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Dear all, and thank you Stephen, Martin and Kevin for your updates</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Please find here CNES proposal</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow">In any case, radiated
<b>volontary </b>emissions (in allocated channels<b>)</b> and <b>unvolontary emissions (</b>from corresponding spurious) made by RF wireless transmitting devices of all types in the lunar or martian environment, which
<b>would </b> cause frequency overlaps with the lunar and martian communication<span class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span><b>orbit to surface</b><span class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span>bands of (1) 2483.5-2500 MHz [33], [40]; or (2)
<b>a</b> 3.5 MHz upper guard band between 2500 MHz and 2503.5 MHz; or (3) as well as the 3.5 MHz lower guard band between 2480 MHz and 2483.5 MHz [33], [40], <b>shall
</b>not be permitted.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Ref [40] is:</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black; background:yellow"></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:27.0pt; text-indent:-27.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">[40]
<i><span style="color:black">Frequency assignment guidelines for communications in the Mars region</span></i><span style="color:black">. Space Frequency Coordination Group. Recommendation SFCG 22-1R3.</span></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">As already explained, for CNES, the 3GPP terrestrial standard in the 2496-2620 MHz band (not SFCG) cannot be normative (with the discussed band
restriction), if the discussed bands to protect (orbit to surface band and its guard bands) are not normatively protected. This text shall therefore effectively be out of a NOTE.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:58.5pt; text-indent:-58.5pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">We propose this text above to be just before the NOTEs of paragraph 3.1.1 GENERAL ( Alternatively,
this text above could be just before the NOTE of paragraph 3.1 OVERVIEW )</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:58.5pt; text-indent:-58.5pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Since the EARFCN paragraph is proposed to be not kept, the related references [40] and [41] on
E UTRA appearing in this paragraph are proposed to be removed, and the martian SFCG doc would have reference [40].</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">We also propose to update the last NOTE of paragraph 3.1.1 as follows:</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:58.5pt; text-indent:-58.5pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black; background:aqua">The frequency band choices for lunar
<b>or martian </b>surface wireless transmissions could be impacted by ITU REC [</span><span lang="EN-US" style="background:aqua">38<span style="color:black">] and by the Radio Regulation [39] applicable in the Shielded Zone of the Moon (SZM).
</span><b><span style="color:#00B050">Adopters</span><span style="color:black"> </span>
</b>must also ensure compatibility with ITU Radio Regulations, and <b><span style="color:#00B050">Space Agencies</span>
</b>must ensure clearance for an SFCG Waiver when the chosen frequency band is not recommended in [33]
<b>or in [40]</b>.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I uploaded on CWE a new version of the red book with all the proposed updates (without the ones
</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#00B050">in green</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> that I realized after to be needed).</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">It is mandatory for CNES to have consensus on the proposals in this E-mail before our WG to submit to SESG a resolution for publication of 883-0-R-0
: looking forward a consensus.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Have a nice day/evening VBR</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Jean-Luc</span></p>
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