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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dear Adrian,</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks for your reply to my email and the
answers to my questions.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Tom - would you please send me the
latest templates for white, green and red books - thanks.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Patrick/Chris - would you please
arrange a joint SIS/SOIS meeting during the next CCSDS meeting. The aim of this
meeting will be for SOIS TCONS/OBL to present their work and for SIS to comment
on how this fits in with their view of the onboard network.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Adrian - I assume that you agree
that this is the right audience for the SOIS TCONS/OBL discussion.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Adrian - to address your concern about
lack of material coming out of TCONS/OBL, I can assure you that before the next
CCSDS meeting this situation will have changed. I will only go public with documents
once they are in a meaningful shape with agreement from the experts contributing
directly to TCONS. There is no conspiracy about this only the concern that we do
not waste peoples' time reading through documents that are we do not
believe in and which may change significantly. We will have the first white
paper available in a couple of weeks time and are working on a second one
together with two red books which will be ready before the next CCSDS meeting.
I will take a look at the CCSDS procedures manual and make sure that I understand
the process.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Steve</span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>------------------------------------------</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Steve Parkes</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Space Technology Centre</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Applied Computing, University of Dundee</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Dundee, DD1 4HN, Scotland, UK</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Tel: +44 1382 345194</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Fax: +44 1382 348838</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Mobile: +44 784 138 3779</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
Adrian J. Hooke [mailto:adrian.j.hooke@jpl.nasa.gov] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 15 June 2005 16:28<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Steve Parkes<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> sois-tcons@mailman.ccsds.org;
sois-tcoa@mailman.ccsds.org; CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - All; Tom
Gannett<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Cesg-all] RE:
[Sois-tcoa] Re: Status of SOIS?</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>At 03:33 AM 6/15/2005, Steve Parkes wrote:<br>
<br>
</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> We have at last a consistent
architecture that meets, we believe, the broader needs of SIS and the needs of spacecraft
software and hardware engineers. Currently we are in the process of writing
this up in the form of a white paper for broader review. As I am sure you can
understand we want to make sure that the TCONS/OBL working group agree on this
document before we send it out for any further review. </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
Steve: the TCONS mailing list (which is where that particular white paper is
being discussed) only contains 15 people, most of them the "usual
suspects". Is that the entire world gene pool of interest in TCONS? <br>
<br>
The OBL mailing list has had a total of three messages on it since November
2003. <br>
<br>
I don't understand the need for such secrecy or lack of communication. Th OBL,
TCONS and TCOA work should be visible to the world.<br>
<br>
<br>
</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We will then welcome comments and take
into consideration any necessary modification of the TCONS/OBL architecture. At
the same time we are working on the Service Interface Specification Red Books
and expect to have drafts for internal review soon. </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
How can you possibly be working on Red Books without having mature White Books
out on the public website for community comment? If you go to your CWE site at <a
href="http://public.ccsds.org/sites/cwe/sois-tcons/Documents.aspx"
eudora=autourl>http://public.ccsds.org/sites/cwe/sois-tcons/Documents.aspx</a>
there is absolutely nothing loaded in the public area. Nothing.<br>
<br>
If you then log-in to the TCONS CWE at that page (which people from the outside
can't do) there is a 3-page White Paper from Max and a 2-slide viewgraph from
Jane. I don't see anything even vaguely resembling a mature White Book (let
alone a draft Red Book) under development within your group. Where is it?<br>
<br>
<br>
</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> Could you please let me know the
formal review procedures for CCSDS documents. We want to have them reviewed by
SIS and possibly other groups that you recommend before sending them out for
interagency review. Is this normal? If not how would you suggest that we
proceed? I would very much welcome an idiot's guide to CCSDS review procedures
as everyone that I have asked seems to have a different perspective.</span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
See section 6 of the <a
href="http://public.ccsds.org/publications/archive/A00x0y9.pdf"><b><font
size=2 color="#29375b"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#29375B;font-weight:
bold'>CCSDS A00.0-Y-9</span></font></b></a><b><font color="#29375b"><span
style='color:#29375B;font-weight:bold'> (</span></font></b>Procedures Manual
for the Consultative Committee for Space Data Systems. Yellow Book. Issue 9.
November 2003: this document is currently being updated to add a graphical
roadmap to the various review loops). If you have any questions about
process, your Area Director should be able to answer them.<br>
<br>
<br>
</span></font></p>
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<li class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The CCSDS logos etc have changed and
we have had some problems with the template documents that we have been
using in the past. Is there a new CCSDS white, green and red book template
available? If so could you please let me know where I can get them from?</span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>You should be working with the CCSDS Document Editor (Tom Gannett) on
all documentation issues, right from the start of White Book development. Tom
will give you all of the logos and templates.<br>
<br>
<br>
</span></font></p>
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<li class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Could you please arrange a joint SOIS
/ SIS meeting for the next CCSDS meeting so that we can present our
architecture and the work done. I would be happy to present this to a
wider CCSDS audience I you felt that it would be useful.</span></font></li>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Work this with Patrick or Chris, who can then arrange the agenda with
Bob Durst.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I can assure you that the TCONS and OBL
teams are fully committed to completing their SOIS work as soon as possible.
Most importantly we are committed to making sure that the recommendations that
we produce are worthy of CCSDS and will be used by future space missions.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
</span></font><font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>As I said in my original
message to Patrick and Chris, I am not attacking the work of TCONS and OBL, I
am simply voicing my very strong concern that virtually ALL of the SOIS work is
completely hidden from anyone except a "secret decoder ring club" of
SOIS inner-circle people. It is constantly embarrassing to have people from
industry or other agencies express strong interest in the work of SOIS, and yet
when they ask for documents to look at there is absolutely NOTHING to point
them to. Open international standards development is not a stealth activity; if
in doubt, err on the side of full public visibility.<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
Adrian<br>
<br>
</span></font></p>
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<p></x-sigsep><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Adrian
J. Hooke<br>
Chairman, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group (CESG)</span></font></p>
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