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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Peter,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">My initial take is that we will be happy to follow the lead of the security working group. As Marcin has pointedly pointed out to us, cybersecurity was not really the main thrust
of his question but really rather ultimately how to look at bridging between the current practice of configuring SLE instances via files vs incorporating the information in the SPDF (Service Package Data Format) and the SACP (Service Agreement, Configuration
Profile). The entire service management set of exchanges also needs cybersecurity and so I think allowing the cybersecurity WG to take the lead is find and we in the CSS Area can offer supporting inputs re various cybersecurity approaches etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">-Erik
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 1, 2021 13:56<br>
<b>To:</b> Anthony Crowson <anthony.crowson@telespazio.de>; Barkley, Erik J (US 3970) <erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov>; EXTERNAL-Unal, Martin P (9110-Affiliate) <Martin.Unal@esa.int><br>
<b>Cc:</b> SMWG <smwg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org>; smwg@mailman.ccsds.org; Howie Weiss <Howard.Weiss@parsons.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cssm] [EXTERNAL] Re: SACP: configuration of tranfer services<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Guys,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I tend to be a “listener” in these discussions, but having this very timely topic of cybersecurity be addressed is something that merits further discussion. I have also looped in Howie Weiss, SEA SecWG Chair, trusting that he will bring
in other WG members if needed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I will state that I am a strong believer in “belt and suspenders” where cybersecurity is an issue. And I will state my belief that securing the command uplink, in particular, is the single most impactful thing we can do fat the cross support
level. We get somewhat different perspectives on this is we look at it from different points of view:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">End to end: delivery of commands from command load generation on the ground to command load delivery on board, possibly including end-to-end encryption of the command data itself<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">Command cross support: delivery of commands from the mission MOC to the ESLT forward service (F-CLTU or FF-CSTS), possibly including network/transport security and user/port/system
authentication<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">Command transmission: delivery of commands from the ELST to the spacecraft over the RF link, possibly including link layer encryption (SDLS) and/or network layer encryption if IP or
DTN are used<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">Similar considerations must enter in for all SLE and CSTS cross support interfaces and also for the whole family of SM interfaces and services, which are related to item 2) in this
list.<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">There are a variety of security mechanisms identified. I used the word “encryption”, but acknowledge that this might involve authentication, encryption, or authenticated encryption. It is entirely likely that only one or two will be used
in any given deployment and the choice is up to the mission / spacecraft teams and the ESLT service provider.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My “what occurs on the ground info may be out of date, but last I knew most of these features were not in use for the wide array of CCSDS / civilian missions. Based on recent NASA mandates (and presumably other agencies are doing likewise,
or already have) some of this is changing even as we speak. The whole reason that I am bringing this up is that any focus on “pass specific SICF credentials” seems to be way too narrow a focus for any meaningful discussion of how to counter cybersecurity
threats.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Given this array of possible approaches, is there some viable subset that CCSDS (CSS and SEA) are willing to support as “recommended” for use by civilian, robotic, space missions? Perhaps a focused meeting on this, with SEA Sec WG more
broadly involved, is called for?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers, Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">SMWG <</span><a href="mailto:smwg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">smwg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">>
on behalf of Anthony Crowson <</span><a href="mailto:anthony.crowson@telespazio.de"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">anthony.crowson@telespazio.de</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:31 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Erik Barkley <</span><a href="mailto:erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">>, "EXTERNAL-Unal, Martin P (9110-Affiliate)" <</span><a href="mailto:Martin.Unal@esa.int"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Martin.Unal@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Cc: </b>SMWG <</span><a href="mailto:smwg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">smwg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">>, SMWG <</span><a href="mailto:smwg@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">smwg@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [cssm] [EXTERNAL] Re: SACP: configuration of tranfer services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">At the risk of wading in to a sensitive area, it seems to me that the expected advantage of a pass specific SICF over a permanent SICF is pass-specific credentials. If the credentials are accidentally exposed,
there is a much smaller window in which they could be misused.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">However, having even one pass hijacked could in the worst case lead to loss of a mission.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">If I’m already wrong at this state, please correct me gently and ignore the rest…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><br>
There is an, admittedly imperfect, analogy to the prevalent but outdated practice of insisting that passwords are changed every few months. If a password is exposed to a malicious actor, it will almost certainly be used before a change is forced. Approaches
such as two-factor authentication are much more useful.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Now the SLE IP, as far as I understand, does not do any encryption – rather, it expects that the network connection would if necessary be tunnelled through a secure communications channel. If this is not done,
then even per-pass credentials will not protect against a man-in-the-middle attack. On the other hand, if strong authentication is provided by a secure communications channel, completely independently of SLE itself, then the SLE credentials become vastly less
critical – more at the level of a protection against misconfiguration than against serious attacks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So yes, in the absence of other measures, a pass-specific SICF can provide a modest security improvement by limiting credential lifetime. However, it is not by itself an adequate protection against modern cybersecurity
threats. If adequate protection is provided by other means, it is not clear that the pass-specific SICF adds significant value. In other words, the more productive focus would be on protecting and authenticating the underlying connection.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Anthony</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Barkley, Erik J (US 3970) <<a href="mailto:erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov">erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> 16 February 2021 17:02<br>
<b>To:</b> EXTERNAL-Unal, Martin P (9110-Affiliate) <<a href="mailto:Martin.Unal@esa.int">Martin.Unal@esa.int</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> SMWG <<a href="mailto:smwg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">smwg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>; Anthony Crowson <<a href="mailto:anthony.crowson@telespazio.de">anthony.crowson@telespazio.de</a>>;
<a href="mailto:smwg@mailman.ccsds.org">smwg@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [cssm] [EXTERNAL] Re: SACP: configuration of tranfer services<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Martin,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">You indicate that pass specific SICF is not “a serious answer” re today’s cybersecurity threats. I fail to see how a permanent SICF is a serious answer. Do you have any suggestions?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">-Erik</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> SMWG <<a href="mailto:smwg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">smwg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:Martin.Unal@esa.int">Martin.Unal@esa.int</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 15, 2021 7:26<br>
<b>To:</b> Barkley, Erik J (US 3970) <<a href="mailto:erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov">erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> SMWG <<a href="mailto:smwg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">smwg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>; Anthony Crowson <<a href="mailto:anthony.crowson@telespazio.de">anthony.crowson@telespazio.de</a>>;
<a href="mailto:smwg@mailman.ccsds.org">smwg@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cssm] [EXTERNAL] Re: SACP: configuration of tranfer services<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hello<br>
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This was discussed in length with Wolfgang Hell at the time we discontinued pass specific SICF.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In term of security, the added value of pass specific SICF is close to nil.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In term of operational failure, the handling of pass specific was causing lose of service on a monthly basis.
</span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">And the recovery action was to use permanent SICF. So what the point.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I have experienced the usage of pass specific SICF, and I can insure you this is not something you want to see in human spaceflight operation.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Cyber security has to be taken seriously.
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Pass specific SICF is not a serious answer to today threat.<br>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Barkley, Erik J\(US 3970\) via SMWG" <</span><a href="mailto:smwg@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">smwg@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"</span><a href="mailto:Holger.Dreihahn@esa.int"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Holger.Dreihahn@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"
<</span><a href="mailto:Holger.Dreihahn@esa.int"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Holger.Dreihahn@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>, "</span><a href="mailto:Marcin.Gnat@dlr.de"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Marcin.Gnat@dlr.de</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"
<</span><a href="mailto:Marcin.Gnat@dlr.de"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Marcin.Gnat@dlr.de</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Cc: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"SMWG" <</span><a href="mailto:smwg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">smwg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>,
"Anthony Crowson" <</span><a href="mailto:anthony.crowson@telespazio.de"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">anthony.crowson@telespazio.de</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>, "</span><a href="mailto:smwg@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">smwg@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"
<</span><a href="mailto:smwg@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">smwg@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">15/02/2021 15:52</span>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">Just to add a quick comments to this thread, the DSN also employs permanent SICFs for SLE instance configurations. Much like what Colin has indicated the implementers complained
that it was just too much trouble to deal with dynamic SICFs as that would involve more testing and more things could go wrong, etc. However given the changing cyber security landscape I would ask if, eventually, can you afford not to have dynamically generated
SICFs or some other equivalent such that access is very much controlled on a tracking pass by tracking pass basis – especially if you are supporting human spaceflight? I think it is something we should keep an eye on.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi Marcin,</span>
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I remember having implemented SLE SICF generation for our scheduling system (2008?) and I think we have put some thinking in how to do that. As Colin correctly remarks, the feature of pass specific SICFs is not used - simply too many files.</span>
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However, the trick at the time was to distribute the information for SLE SICF creation to the two relevant places: The mission agreement with the (SLE) service requirements and the ground station model with the ground station capabilities (amongothers the SLE
services supported formulated as templates). The two are used for determine 'does the station have the required capabilities' and then to combine the information as shown below to the configuration (slide 45 of attachment):</span>
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Some background: Our scheduling is service based, so in addition to the SLE services we define the underlying production services as operational services (TM, TC, DDOR, Ranging, etc.), which are required (mission agreement) and matched with station capabilities
(station model). Those production services are in fact subject to configuration profiles, which can be refined by missions per pass or requested service.</span>
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In orinciple the complete configuration profiles could be defined by FRM parameters.</span>
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I know it's not exactly what you discuss, but maybe of some interest.</span> <br>
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Best regards,</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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Hi Marcin, Anthony,</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt"><br>
ESOC has effectivly moved to permanent SICfs. The NIS (Neywork Interface System - Handles MCS - Groundstation SLE links) was designed to be able to use dynamic as well as permanent SICFs and the missions screamed about the
prospect of having to use dynamic ones, much preferring to use permanent ones.</span>
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Hi Marcin,</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#004080"><br>
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As I would see it, and as I think we had it in the old Blue-1 book, the service instance identifiers and the parameters you feel are missing are part of the service package, not the SA or CP. Your 3 spacecraft configurations would be 3 configuration profiles.
The SP request may identify a specific station or antenna; at any rate, the SP itself will identify the aperture and the service instances, and at least port IDs.
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There was a discussion which I don’t think was ever fully resolved, about service instance identifiers. The original concept had them being dynamically defined for each service package. But the “stop-gap” SICF approach ended up with people getting used to “permanent”
SI IDs and being reluctant to change that. Certainly I think it would be unhelpful to have to reproduce the same config multiple times just to use different SI IDs for different apertures.
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Basically what you suggest in your second and third bullets looks about right, modulo discussion on permanence of SI IDs.</span>
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I think the FRM parameters identified as just “reporting” mean they cannot be changed during production. Clearly they have to be set somewhere, i.e. “by management”, as part of setting up the service packages.</span>
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Dear SMWG,</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt"><br>
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In course of some implementation work and discussion with my developers, I came to the point where I think we shall have some closer discussion soon (in one of our teleconferences and definitely later during spring meetings).</span>
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The protagonist: configuration (profile) of the transfer service (known currently under nicknames “SLE configuration” or “SICF”).</span>
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The place and time: somewhere in snowy Bavaria during Winter 2020/2021, Corona situation.</span>
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The Synopsis: during implementation of VEEEEEERY remotely similar profiles into DLR’s new scheduling system, my developers asked me how they shall treat the Service Instance Identifiers in the profile. When I looked at their initial implementation, I noticed,
that they did put the complete configuration (service) profile in “one piece”, according to the current list from FRM and to what I told them. It does not correspond to the full flexibility of the actual planned SACP (this was not the intention). Anyhow, I
realized two things: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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1. Not all of SLE parameters were there (GVCID, Port and User identifiers, etc…)
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2. Defined as such now, projects would need to define multiple configuration profiles, being actually the same, differing only with Service Instance Identifier, for each Service Instance. In our case, for example for TerraSAR mission, we have actual
3 spacecraft configurations for the antenna, but in total 32 service instances for different stations, antennas and cortexes. This maybe does not multiply 1x1, but at least we would need 32 configuration profiles (I can almost hear the project people coming
to get me)! <br>
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Okay, this is to some extent my own fault, as I burdened the implementation of “some kind of configuration profile” to my developers, and maybe did not thought about it in front. But it shows I think also some shortcomings we have with the concept (maybe it
will shape up still).</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><br>
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To the first point, I quickly noticed, that – even I made a list of parameters based on FRM – actually not all parameters are really exposed. When looking to the export of Holger out of FRM and the schema files, I noticed than there is number of parameters
which are marked only as “reporting” thus in first place not visible to SACP (hence my omission). And so, all Initiator and Responder Id’s as well as PortId’s and the GVCID’s are marked as “reporting” or “read-only” if you like. How are we going to set them?
<b>Shouldn’t they be also configurable, similar like Service Instance ID?</b></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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From this:</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <br>
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To this:</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <br>
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Second topic is the actual (operational) separation of the antenna configuration and the transfer services configuration. Currently (at least at DLR) this looks like this:</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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There are few antenna configurations (which may be effectively also identical throughout different antennas) and number of SLE configurations (Service Instances). To be fully honest, the multiplication of the SLE config is just due to the different Responder
ID and Port ID’s, resulting also in separate Service Instance ID, the rest of the config is typically the same (for a specific RCF or FCLTU service).</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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How do we want to handle that with our current concept of SACP?</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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I know we had some brief discussions on that, and there is some three page (chapter 3.4.2) information on intended use in the TechNote of John. It speaks relatively high level about two options, reusing SICF files (kind of an extension to the actual SACP config)
and also by dynamically setting the abovementioned parameters. <br>
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First option says, that SICF files shall be there, and the Responder and Provider ID’s and Ports shall be fixed in Service Agreement and for specific Site and Mission, and later on only these shall be used. It does not actually however says anything on how
actual SICF is bound to the specific Service Package nor Service Package Request nor Configuration Profile. We have Ports and their ID’s, but how do I know which SICF shall I use? Shall there be also predefined ONE fixed SICF?</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Second option of using the extended/abstract parameters in Service Package may allow for dynamic provision of the so called “scheduledSocket” which would be just the ProviderPort. So far so good, but still I miss the rest of the SLE/CSTS configuration, especially
wrt to what I wrote above.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><br>
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Here is where the I lost the trace of the hunted game. And maybe we need here some discussion. ?</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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I was thinking – just to came into with some proposal – of the following (better ideas are welcome!):</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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- To not destroy everything else we already somehow managed to set up wrt SMURF, SPDF and SACP…</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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- …We could use extended list (as at the beginning) in the Service profile, with Service Instance ID, PortID’s, GVCID’s etc., having predefined some parameters (i.e. Buffer sizes), whereas leaving all of these “variable ones” undefined. That way we
would have limited number of Configuration Profiles (a set of few generic ones for the spacecraft, universally engageable in every station).</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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- When booking the Service Package (sending the Request) we could “overwrite” the previously mentioned parameters using AbstractParameter Class (for example “InitiatiorID” and “ServiceInstanceID” and “GVCID”). The same would be true for SPDF – the
values there would be shown in AbstractParameter class (and for example additionally station defined PortID would be provided). This would allow to use all of our Books / Formates as they are, and have individual SLE configuration for each pass/service package.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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- The disadvantage of the above method would be, that there would need to be some kind of automated generation of Service Instance ID and GVCID on user side and the ProviderPort on provider side. Otherwise we come into danger of crazy users/providers
not filling these parameters, or filling them wrongly or even filling them different.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Okay… I’m done for today ?</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><br>
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Cheers</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><br>
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