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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear SLP WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Another problem for AOS to be raised is the shortage of version 2 SCID, this version 2 SCID being only 8-bit. It is definitely not wise to pickup this
standard for future missions that might encompass several spacecrafts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Gilles<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-ligatures:none">Gilles MOURY</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-ligatures:none">
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-ligatures:none">CNES Toulouse</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-ligatures:none">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:none">De :</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:none"> SLS-SLP <sls-slp-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org>
<b>De la part de</b> Kazz, Greg (US 312B) via SLS-SLP<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 24 mai 2023 16:57<br>
<b>À :</b> Kazz, Greg (US 312B) via SLS-SLP <sls-slp@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Objet :</b> [Sls-slp] FW: [EXTERNAL] RE: A Mission Proposal - AOS Transfer Frames over Proximity-1 Session Control<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear SLP WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Sharing some feedback from Amanuel Geda from DLR below:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So far the trend is clear, we encourage projects to use USLP, since it encorporates all the features of AOS into USLP, when fixed transfer frames are used.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-ligatures:none">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;mso-ligatures:none">"<a href="mailto:Amanuel.Geda@dlr.de">Amanuel.Geda@dlr.de</a>" <<a href="mailto:Amanuel.Geda@dlr.de">Amanuel.Geda@dlr.de</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 12:03 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:Marco.Rovatti@esa.int">Marco.Rovatti@esa.int</a>" <<a href="mailto:Marco.Rovatti@esa.int">Marco.Rovatti@esa.int</a>>, "Kazz, Greg (US 312B)" <<a href="mailto:greg.j.kazz@jpl.nasa.gov">greg.j.kazz@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] RE: A Mission Proposal - AOS Transfer Frames over Proximity-1 Session Control<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:none"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Greg and Marco,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">I think Marco raised a good point: the WG should encourage projects to use USLP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">If the project wants fixed frame, still USLP can also be used as fixed frame.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Is there any service that AOS can deliver which can not be done by USLP?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">It is probably good to remind the project to consider USLP. It will be a good feedback for the WG if the project describes the rational for AOS instead of USLP.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Amanuel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:none"> SLS-SLP <<a href="mailto:sls-slp-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">sls-slp-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marco Rovatti via SLS-SLP<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 15:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Kazz, Greg(US 312B) <<a href="mailto:greg.j.kazz@jpl.nasa.gov">greg.j.kazz@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>; Kazz, Greg (US 312B) via SLS-SLP <<a href="mailto:sls-slp@mailman.ccsds.org">sls-slp@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Sls-slp] A Mission Proposal - AOS Transfer Frames over Proximity-1 Session Control<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Greg, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">I haven’t spoken with Moonlight people yet and I had not attended the meeting mentioned by Ignacio held a couple of days ago as I was not involved, therefore I’m only speculating here. I will
coordinate internally with Moonlight and Ignacio to get a better picture. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">In any case, I still don’t get what kind of problem Moonlight project is trying to solve by using AOS over Prox-1.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">At a first glance it seems that they will get into more troubles than those they want to fix, but, again, pending listening to Moonlight opinions.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">In fact, AOS is fixed length frames and does not support COP.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">In the end, it might work with workarounds, however I would not recommend it.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Preferred options:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Use prox-1 frames OR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Use USLP
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Marco <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:none"> SLS-SLP <<a href="mailto:sls-slp-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">sls-slp-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kazz, Greg (US 312B) via SLS-SLP<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 22 May 2023 19:42<br>
<b>To:</b> Kazz, Greg (US 312B) via SLS-SLP <<a href="mailto:sls-slp@mailman.ccsds.org">sls-slp@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Sls-slp] A Mission Proposal - AOS Transfer Frames over Proximity-1 Session Control<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear SLP WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">A question has come to me via the ESA Moonlight mission regarding the feasibility of using the AOS Space Data Link Protocol over the Proximity-1 session control (state tables that control link establishment, data exchange,
and link termination). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I would like to know your opinion on this question:
<span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">What does the SLP WG think about the possibility of using the AOS transfer frame format with Prox-1 session control ?</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Here are my thoughts below:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Pro:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">As you may know from our last meeting, the WG is attempting to split the Prox-1 SDLP book into a separate session control book, separate COP-P book, and a separate transfer frame PDU book, that one similar to the existing
TC, TM, AOS books. If we succeed in that endeavor, it would be much easier for a mission to swap in different CCSDS data link layer protocols below the Prox-1 session control sublayer.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Con:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">However, all the fine details to ensure dividing up the Prox-1 books has not yet been worked out by the SLP WG. This really has only been done for USLP and Prox-1. Nor has any interoperability testing been accomplished
as well to clearly demonstrate interoperability. Therefore, it would be the responsibility of each and every mission to take on that additional risk, if they were to use AOS for example with Prox-1 session control. Lastly, CCSDS created USLP in order to do
just that – replace AOS, TM, TC, Prox-1 with one link layer PDU useable in all venues. USLP has been interoperability tested by CCSDS.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">We have a <span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">
short fuse of two weeks</span> to gather our inputs to this question, so I appreciate a quick response back from you all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Greg – Chairman CCSDS SLP WG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:none">Greg Kazz<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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