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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear SLS/SLP colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Just for the record, I am totally in agreement with everything that has been said re using USLP over Pro-1 coding and physical layer instead of trying to hack together something with AOS. All of the reasons
stated are completely valid in my eyes and I can see little benefit to the larger community of doing any work to support this project specific choice. I also think it would be a bad precedent to set and it would, as Gilles points out, tend to further deplete
the very limited AOS SCID namespace.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best regards, Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="FR" style="color:black;mso-ligatures:none">From:
</span></b><span lang="FR" style="color:black;mso-ligatures:none">SLS-SLP <sls-slp-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Moury Gilles via SLS-SLP <sls-slp@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Gilles Moury <Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 8:50 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Greg Kazz <greg.j.kazz@jpl.nasa.gov>, "sls-slp@mailman.ccsds.org" <sls-slp@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Sls-slp] [EXTERNAL] RE: A Mission Proposal - AOS Transfer Frames over Proximity-1 Session Control<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:none"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Dear SLP WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Another problem for AOS to be raised is the shortage of version 2 SCID, this version 2 SCID being only 8-bit. It is definitely not wise to pickup this standard for future missions that might
encompass several spacecrafts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Gilles<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-ligatures:none">Gilles MOURY</span><span lang="FR" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-ligatures:none">
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</span><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-ligatures:none">CNES Toulouse</span><span lang="FR" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-ligatures:none">
</span><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:none">De :</span></b><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:none"> SLS-SLP <sls-slp-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org>
<b>De la part de</b> Kazz, Greg (US 312B) via SLS-SLP<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 24 mai 2023 16:57<br>
<b>À :</b> Kazz, Greg (US 312B) via SLS-SLP <sls-slp@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Objet :</b> [Sls-slp] FW: [EXTERNAL] RE: A Mission Proposal - AOS Transfer Frames over Proximity-1 Session Control<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear SLP WG,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sharing some feedback from Amanuel Geda from DLR below:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So far the trend is clear, we encourage projects to use USLP, since it encorporates all the features of AOS into USLP, when fixed transfer frames are used.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Greg<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black;mso-ligatures:none">From: </span>
</b><span style="color:black;mso-ligatures:none">"<a href="mailto:Amanuel.Geda@dlr.de">Amanuel.Geda@dlr.de</a>" <<a href="mailto:Amanuel.Geda@dlr.de">Amanuel.Geda@dlr.de</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 12:03 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:Marco.Rovatti@esa.int">Marco.Rovatti@esa.int</a>" <<a href="mailto:Marco.Rovatti@esa.int">Marco.Rovatti@esa.int</a>>, "Kazz, Greg (US 312B)" <<a href="mailto:greg.j.kazz@jpl.nasa.gov">greg.j.kazz@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] RE: A Mission Proposal - AOS Transfer Frames over Proximity-1 Session Control<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Greg and Marco,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I think Marco raised a good point: the WG should encourage projects to use USLP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If the project wants fixed frame, still USLP can also be used as fixed frame.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Is there any service that AOS can deliver which can not be done by USLP?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">It is probably good to remind the project to consider USLP. It will be a good feedback for the WG if the project describes the rational for AOS instead of USLP.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Amanuel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:none"> SLS-SLP <<a href="mailto:sls-slp-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">sls-slp-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marco Rovatti via SLS-SLP<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Dienstag, 23. Mai 2023 15:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Kazz, Greg(US 312B) <<a href="mailto:greg.j.kazz@jpl.nasa.gov">greg.j.kazz@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>; Kazz, Greg (US 312B) via SLS-SLP <<a href="mailto:sls-slp@mailman.ccsds.org">sls-slp@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Sls-slp] A Mission Proposal - AOS Transfer Frames over Proximity-1 Session Control<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Greg, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">I haven’t spoken with Moonlight people yet and I had not attended the meeting mentioned by Ignacio held a couple of days ago as I was not involved, therefore I’m only speculating here. I will
coordinate internally with Moonlight and Ignacio to get a better picture. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">In any case, I still don’t get what kind of problem Moonlight project is trying to solve by using AOS over Prox-1.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">At a first glance it seems that they will get into more troubles than those they want to fix, but, again, pending listening to Moonlight opinions.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">In fact, AOS is fixed length frames and does not support COP.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">In the end, it might work with workarounds, however I would not recommend it.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Preferred options:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Use prox-1 frames OR<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Use USLP
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Marco <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:none"> SLS-SLP <<a href="mailto:sls-slp-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">sls-slp-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kazz, Greg (US 312B) via SLS-SLP<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 22 May 2023 19:42<br>
<b>To:</b> Kazz, Greg (US 312B) via SLS-SLP <<a href="mailto:sls-slp@mailman.ccsds.org">sls-slp@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Sls-slp] A Mission Proposal - AOS Transfer Frames over Proximity-1 Session Control<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear SLP WG,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A question has come to me via the ESA Moonlight mission regarding the feasibility of using the AOS Space Data Link Protocol over the Proximity-1 session control (state tables that control link establishment, data exchange, and link termination).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I would like to know your opinion on this question: <span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">
What does the SLP WG think about the possibility of using the AOS transfer frame format with Prox-1 session control ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Here are my thoughts below:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Pro:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As you may know from our last meeting, the WG is attempting to split the Prox-1 SDLP book into a separate session control book, separate COP-P book, and a separate transfer frame PDU book, that one similar to the existing TC, TM, AOS books.
If we succeed in that endeavor, it would be much easier for a mission to swap in different CCSDS data link layer protocols below the Prox-1 session control sublayer.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Con:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">However, all the fine details to ensure dividing up the Prox-1 books has not yet been worked out by the SLP WG. This really has only been done for USLP and Prox-1. Nor has any interoperability testing been accomplished as well to clearly
demonstrate interoperability. Therefore, it would be the responsibility of each and every mission to take on that additional risk, if they were to use AOS for example with Prox-1 session control. Lastly, CCSDS created USLP in order to do just that – replace
AOS, TM, TC, Prox-1 with one link layer PDU useable in all venues. USLP has been interoperability tested by CCSDS.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We have a <span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">
short fuse of two weeks</span> to gather our inputs to this question, so I appreciate a quick response back from you all.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Greg – Chairman CCSDS SLP WG<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:none">Greg Kazz<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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