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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Marco,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I totally agree with you. The worst outcome would be to restrict the Space Packet size.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Greg<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">"Marco.Rovatti@esa.int" <Marco.Rovatti@esa.int><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, May 20, 2022 at 1:54 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"Kazz, Greg (US 312B)" <greg.j.kazz@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"Andrea.Modenini@esa.int" <Andrea.Modenini@esa.int>, "Rodriguez, Shannon(GSFC-5670)" <shannon.rodriguez-1@nasa.gov>, "Kazz, Greg (US 312B) via SLS-SLP" <sls-slp@mailman.ccsds.org>, SLS-SLP <sls-slp-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org>, "Sank, Victor J.(GSFC-567.0)[SCIENCE
SYSTEMS AND APPLICATIONS INC]" <victor.j.sank@nasa.gov><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] Re: [Sls-slp] Extending the 1st Header Pointer in AOS to 16 bits to cover max Transfer Frame length<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Good morning SLP-WG,
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Being the AOS Frame length a managed parameter and therefore mission dependent, its extension to max 65536 octets does not make existing assets incompatible. In fact, new missions wishing to re-use
recurrent HW/SW, may still decide to keep on using 2048 octets long AOS Frames. </span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">If max AOS Frame length gets extended, I'd rather go for expanding the 1st header pointer to 16 bit if CCSDS Space Packet Protocol than constraining the max packet length.
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In fact, I would discourage restricting max CCSDS packet length as this may introduce a severe and unnecessary protocol overhead in systems using e.g. CFDP over AOS.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I hope this helps</span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Kazz, Greg\(US 312B\) via SLS-SLP" <sls-slp@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Kazz, Greg (US 312B) via SLS-SLP" <sls-slp@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Cc: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Andrea.Modenini@esa.int" <Andrea.Modenini@esa.int>, "Sank, Victor J.\(GSFC-567.0\)\[SCIENCE SYSTEMS AND
APPLICATIONS INC\]" <victor.j.sank@nasa.gov>, "Rodriguez, Shannon\(GSFC-5670\)" <shannon.rodriguez-1@nasa.gov></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">11/05/2022 19:39</span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Subject: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">[Sls-slp] Extending the 1st Header Pointer in AOS to 16 bits to cover max Transfer Frame length</span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Sent by: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"SLS-SLP" <sls-slp-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Dear SLP WG,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I’ve been asked by Andrea Modenini, the chair of the C&S WG, to poll you concerning their proposal below to utilize the 5 reserve bits in the M_PDU header of the AOS Transfer Frame in order to extend the
1<sup>st</sup> Header Pointer from 11 bits (2048 octet Maximum AOS Transfer Frame Size) to 16 bits (65536 octet maximum AOS transfer frame). Note: USLP transfer frame maximum is also 65536 octets.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Please provide me with your opinion by end of day May 17.
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Here is the proposal from Victor Sank and Shannon Rodriguez at NASA/GSFC:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in">We agree that First Header Pointer must be able to point to first packet header that is in the Packet Zone of the transfer frame. Even through the packets can be very long, limited to a length of 65536 octets, and may cover several transfer
frames, the problem is where in the frame the next packet starts. The 11 bit first header pointer is the limitation since it would not be able to point far into the frame. But there are 5 bits of reserved that can be used with the 11 bit, giving 16 total
and covering what we need. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in"> We would have to couple the extension of transfer frame lengths with making use of the reserved 5 bit in the M_PDU Header. There is also an option that can be used. If there is objection to extending the first header pointer
to 16 bits, we could still allow longer transfer frames with the restriction that the packets used with these transfer frames are (temporarily) limited to 2048 octets. In the future if/when CCSDS agrees to the 16 bit first header pointer, the restriction
would be removed. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in">CCSDS732.0-B-3 shows an M_PDU Header with the first header pointer as 11 bits but also shows 5 bits of reserved. If we use the 5 bit we have 16 and can point to 65536.
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Chair SLP WG</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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