<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Is there a chance to silverize it?</font>
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<br>
<br>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">From:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"Thomas Gannett"
<thomas.gannett@tgannett.net></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">To:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Cc:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int>,
"'Gilles Moury'" <Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr>, <Nestor.Peccia@esa.int>,
<sls-rfm@mailman.ccsds.org></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Date:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">12/10/2016 15:36</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Subject:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">RE: B20.0-Y-1
/ Any re-action expected</font>
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<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Actually, I think I did set
the database to show an empty next-status date field when “none” is the
next status, so a book with a next status of “none” will never catch
anyone’s attention again. (That’s not actually a good thing.)</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=3 color=#004080 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<br><font size=3 color=#004080 face="Times New Roman">Thomas Gannett</font>
<br><font size=3 color=#004080 face="Times New Roman">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</font>
<br><font size=3 color=#004080 face="Times New Roman">+1 443 472 0805</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int
[</font><a href=mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><font size=2 face="Tahoma">mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</font></a><font size=2 face="Tahoma">]
<b><br>
Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:22 AM<b><br>
To:</b> Thomas Gannett<b><br>
Cc:</b> Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int; 'Gilles Moury'; Nestor.Peccia@esa.int;
sls-rfm@mailman.ccsds.org<b><br>
Subject:</b> RE: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="Arial">Tom,</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
thank you for the clarification.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
Clearly we would hope that there is something possible on the database
to avoid the related production of useless information.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
If there is the need that the </font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">next-status
date field will continue to have some value in it</font><font size=2 face="Arial">,
we may consider setting that date far into the future or to have decennia
checks; e.g. next check in 2020 and then check again in 2030 or even
better - since we checked now - next date 2026 :o)</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
Regards</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
Gian Paolo</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
PS "Lower" values of the </font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">next-status
date field</font><font size=2 face="Arial"> are to be considered risky
not only to </font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> catch
Gian Paolo’s attention,</font><font size=2 face="Arial"> but also to catch
CMC delegates attention :o)</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
<br>
<br>
<br>
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
From: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">"Thomas
Gannett" <</font><a href=mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
To: </font><font size=1 face="Arial"><</font><a href=mailto:Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">>,
<</font><a href=mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Cc: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">"'Gilles
Moury'" <</font><a href=mailto:Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">>,
<</font><a href="mailto:sls-rfm@mailman.ccsds.org"><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>sls-rfm@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">>,
<</font><a href=mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Date: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">12/10/2016
15:11</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Subject: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">RE:
B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font>
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<hr noshade></div>
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</font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><br>
Dear Enrico:</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><br>
The status table is produced from a database that contains a lot of useless
information and applies calculations uniformly across all the documents,
sometimes producing useless results.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><br>
However, in 2010 you did indicate uncertainty about the lifespan of the
meeting proceedings documents, and I think even you might agree that it
does not hurt to revisit them occasionally to determine whether they are
of continued use (reconfirmation review includes the option of retirement).
You are in the best position to know whether they are of continued use.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><br>
In the case of the three RF&Mod proceedings documents, actually only
one exists electronically; the other two were hardcopy only. Fairly recently,
if you recall, we both searched for an extant copy of one of them, querying
all the old-timers we could think of, and discovered that not a single
a copy could be found. So whether it is to anyone’s benefit to continue
to list the books as active CCSDS publications is actually a good question.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><br>
If it were up to me, I would retire both CCSDS 421.0-G-1 and CCSDS B20.0-Y-1,
since the CCSDS is unable to produce a copy of either; but it is not really
my call. I think if I set the next status of CCSDS B20.0-Y-2 to “none”
it may no longer catch Gian Paolo’s attention, but the next-status date
field will continue to have some value in it. Maybe he can remember not
to ask you about it.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><br>
Best regards,</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><br>
Tom</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=3 color=#004080 face="Times New Roman"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=3 color=#004080 face="Times New Roman"><br>
Thomas Gannett</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u><br>
</u></font><a href=mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=3 color=#004080 face="Times New Roman"><br>
+1 443 472 0805</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Tahoma"><b><br>
From:</b> </font><a href=mailto:Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int><font size=2 color=blue face="Tahoma"><u>Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Tahoma">
[</font><a href=mailto:Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int><font size=2 color=blue face="Tahoma"><u>mailto:Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Tahoma">]
<b><br>
Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 12, 2016 6:21 AM<b><br>
To:</b> </font><a href=mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><font size=2 color=blue face="Tahoma"><u>Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Tahoma"><b><br>
Cc:</b> Tom Gannett; Gilles Moury; </font><a href="mailto:sls-rfm@mailman.ccsds.org"><font size=2 color=blue face="Tahoma"><u>sls-rfm@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Tahoma">;
</font><a href=mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int><font size=2 color=blue face="Tahoma"><u>Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Tahoma"><b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
Tom should have fixed this problem in 2010.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
<br>
The ball is with him.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
<br>
Please stop involving RFM WG on this. If anything is needed, do it at SLS
or CESG level.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
<br>
Cheers, Enrico</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=1 color=#800080 face="Arial"><br>
----- Forwarded by Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA on 12/10/2016 12:15 -----</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
<br>
From: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">Enrico
Vassallo/esoc/ESA</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
To: </font><a href=mailto:tomg@aiaa.org><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>tomg@aiaa.org</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Cc: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">"Jean-luc
Gerner" <</font><a href=mailto:jeanluc.gerner@yahoo.com><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>jeanluc.gerner@yahoo.com</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">>,
"Moury Gilles" <</font><a href=mailto:gilles.moury@cnes.fr><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>gilles.moury@cnes.fr</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Date: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">13/08/2010
10:30</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Subject: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">Re:
Status of CCSDS books</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<div align=center>
<hr noshade></div>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
<br>
Tom,</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
<br>
I reviewed the documents under my two groups. I have the following comments:</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
<br>
1) 413.0-G-1 It's obsolete and replaced by G-2
and therefore I think it should disappear from the list (for instance we
have 401.0-B-20 but not all 19 previous issues listed.)</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
<br>
2) 421.0-G-1, B20.0-Y-1, B20.0-Y-2 </font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
<br>
These are proceedings from 1989, 1993 and 2001. I am not sure what is the
lifetime plan for proceedings. For sure they do not need reconfirmation
review. I would be inclined to keep them on the list as current since proceedings
never become obsolete, and remove the next action and its date. Also the
responsibility should be transferred to secretariat. However, I am happy
to discuss this proposal if rules exist also for proceedings.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
<br>
Sorry for the delay in my response,</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
<br>
Enrico</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
<br>
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
<br>
From: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">Gian
Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
To: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">Enrico
Vassallo/esoc/ESA@ESA</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Cc: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">"Tom
Gannett" <</font><a href=mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">>,
"Gilles Moury" <</font><a href=mailto:Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">>,
</font><a href="mailto:sls-rfm@mailman.ccsds.org"><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>sls-rfm@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Date: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">12/10/2016
11:46</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Subject: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">Re:
B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font>
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<hr noshade></div>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
<br>
Enrico,</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
I am sure it will never change.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
I was just wondering whether there is a need for e.g. a WG Resolution to
finally/definitively put the next action date to year 3000 :o)</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
<br>
Regards</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
<br>
Gian Paolo</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
<br>
<br>
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
<br>
From: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">Enrico
Vassallo/esoc/ESA</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
To: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">Gian Paolo
Calzolari/esoc/ESA@ESA</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Cc: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">"Tom
Gannett" <</font><a href=mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">>,
"Gilles Moury" <</font><a href=mailto:Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">>,
</font><a href="mailto:sls-rfm@mailman.ccsds.org"><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>sls-rfm@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Date: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">12/10/2016
11:44</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Subject: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">Re:
B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font>
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<hr noshade></div>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
<br>
This is a collection of input papers. It cannot be changed !!!!</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
<br>
We told this to the CCSDS World many times already. Please stop this proliferation
of useless information.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
<br>
Regards, Enrico</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
<br>
<br>
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
<br>
From: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">Gian
Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
To: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">"Tom
Gannett" <</font><a href=mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Cc: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">"Gilles
Moury" <</font><a href=mailto:Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">>,
Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA@ESA</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Date: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">12/10/2016
11:38</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Subject: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">B20.0-Y-1
/ Any re-action expected</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
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<hr noshade></div>
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<br>
Tom,</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
do you need any (re)action from the WG to state that
this book is going to stay as is?</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
Thanks</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
<br>
Gian Paolo</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
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