<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Thank you for your
comments, Clément, my answer inline in Green</span>
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<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Best regards,</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Massimo</span>
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Tel. +31 (0)71 5653435<br>
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<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">From:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Dudal
Clement <Clement.Dudal@cnes.fr></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">To:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int"
<Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Cc:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"sls-rfm@mailman.ccsds.org"
<sls-rfm@mailman.ccsds.org>, Ken Andrews <Kenneth.S.Andrews@jpl.nasa.gov>,
"Space Link Coding & Synchronization Working Group" <sls-cc@mailman.ccsds.org>,
Jon Hamkins <Jon.Hamkins@jpl.caltech.edu>, "Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int"
<Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Date:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">15-06-18
06:13 PM</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Subject:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">RE:
[Sls-rfm] [SLS-CC] 130.11-G (SCCC Green Book), for WG review - deadline
for comments: 16 June 2018</span>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri">Dear
Massimo,</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri">Just
a couple of comments on the GB</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Symbol">·
</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri">p.vii,
the spectral efficiency is expressend in bps/Hz.<br>
p.2-3 and 2-4 the spectral efficiency is expressed in bit/symbol. <br>
What is the roll-off factor used to compute the spectral efficiency in
bps/Hz? A coherency for the spectral efficiency unit would be better.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#008000;font-family:Calibri">[MB]
We'll try to align the use as much as possible, even if, in different sections,
we refer to different definitions: in 2-3 and 2-4, we talk explicitly of
bits/symbol, while</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#008000;font-family:Calibri">
bps/Hz is appropriate when discussing the BW
(for which, 0.2 and 0.35 roll-off were assumed)</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Symbol">·
</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri">Chapter
4.3.3 deals with the occupied bandwidth.<br>
A BW is defined for the optimal IBO after filtering with and without predistorison.
The computation of the corresponding spectral efficiencies with respect
to the ones given in Table 2-1 would be useful for performance estimation
(for instance in Tables 6-1 and 6-2).</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#008000;font-family:Calibri">[MB]
We'll see what we can do without distorting too much (putting too much
information into) the table </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri">Best
regards</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"><b>De
:</b> SLS-RFM [</span><a href="mailto:sls-rfm-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">mailto:sls-rfm-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">]
<b>De la part de</b> Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int<b><br>
Envoyé :</b> mercredi 6 juin 2018 15:56<b><br>
À :</b> Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int<b><br>
Cc :</b> sls-rfm@mailman.ccsds.org; Ken Andrews <Kenneth.S.Andrews@jpl.nasa.gov>;
Space Link Coding & Synchronization Working Group <sls-cc@mailman.ccsds.org>;
Jon Hamkins <Jon.Hamkins@jpl.caltech.edu><b><br>
Objet :</b> Re: [Sls-rfm] [SLS-CC] 130.11-G (SCCC Green Book), for WG review
- deadline for comments: 16 June 2018</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Thank
you Enrico,</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
we'll deal with the comments shortly (we are waiting for the deadline to
avoid duplications).</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
I confirm we'll remove all the normative material already in the Blue Book
(your point 4), but possible also the 3))</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
1) ok</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
2) ok</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
3) see above, I'd rather remove normative material</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
4) ok</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
5) ok</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
6) ok for the proposed change. We'll add more detail about the filter (bandpass,
stopband...), which is the one that was agreed in the past for simulations</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
7) it should be feasible</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
8) they seem ok in the pdf and word file. We used equation editor. We'll
hand over the original figures to Tom</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
9) with RF filtering. We'll add the information</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Best regards,</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Massimo</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
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Communication Systems Engineer<br>
ESA/Estec<br>
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Tel. +31 (0)71 5653435<br>
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</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
From: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">Enrico
Vassallo/esoc/ESA</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
To: </span><a href=mailto:Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Cc: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">Ken
Andrews <</span><a href=mailto:Kenneth.S.Andrews@jpl.nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Kenneth.S.Andrews@jpl.nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,
Space Link Coding & Synchronization Working Group <</span><a href="mailto:sls-cc@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>sls-cc@mailman.ccsds.org</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,
Jon Hamkins <</span><a href=mailto:Jon.Hamkins@jpl.caltech.edu><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Jon.Hamkins@jpl.caltech.edu</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,
</span><a href="mailto:sls-rfm@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>sls-rfm@mailman.ccsds.org</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Date: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">06-06-18
03:37 PM</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Subject: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">Re:
[SLS-CC] 130.11-G (SCCC Green Book), for WG review - deadline for comments:
16 June 2018</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span></p>
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Dear Massimo,</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
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</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
please find below some comments of mine.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
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</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Regards, Enrico</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
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1) Title of sections 3 and 4</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
I would add "(ideal synchronization)" at the end to distinguish
from section 6.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
2) Section 1,1, Jon's comment on Earth Observation missions</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
I think you should use the ITU terminology: Earth Exploration-Satellite
Service missions.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
3) Figure 2-6</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
You should use the figures from ref [11] instead that look better and avoid
the issues raised by Wai already with the previous version of this document.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
4) Table 2-2</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
I think that this normative text is included in [11]. Please confirm.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
5) Figures 3-1 and 3-2</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Add "uncoded" to the captions.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
6) Section 4.1</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
The last para starting with "For all simulations .." should appear
before the previous sentence making reference to figure 4-3 since these
data are necessary to interpret the figure. Is there anything else we can
say here about the elliptic filter? I mean, is 5th order enough to get
the plot of figure 4-3?</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
7) Figures 4-19 and 4-20</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Reduce the Y-axis scale to 1.5 from 2.6 so that differences can be appreciated.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
8) Equations and figures in 5.2, 5.5 and 5.6</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Some of them appear of low quality on my printouts. Could be my printer.
Be prepared to get nice originals requests by Tom.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
9) Tables 6-1 and 6-2</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Is the bandwidth with or w/o RF filter? Please add this info.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
From: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">Jon
Hamkins <</span><a href=mailto:Jon.Hamkins@jpl.caltech.edu><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Jon.Hamkins@jpl.caltech.edu</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">></span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
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To: </span><a href=mailto:Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">,
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Date: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">05/05/2018
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Subject: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">Re:
[SLS-CC] 130.11-G (SCCC Green Book), for WG review - deadline for comments:
16 June 2018</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
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Massimo,<br>
<br>
Attached are my comments on the SCCC Green Book. Not having the Word
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version, I found it easiest to mark it by hand. Most of the comments
<br>
relate to English usage, which I hope you will consider, but there are
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many technical comments as well.<br>
<br>
----Jon<br>
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On 4/16/2018 7:30 AM, </span><a href=mailto:Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Courier New"><u>Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Courier New">
wrote:<br>
> Dear all,<br>
> <br>
> as per AI_18_02 from our Gaithersburg meeting, I update the SCCC Green
<br>
> Book including (section 7) the measured phase noise, at 26.25 GHz,
with <br>
> the modulator (EM) used<br>
> in the testing.<br>
> With this, the book is ready for WG review and your comments are due
in <br>
> 2 months, that is by 16 June.<br>
> <br>
> Thank you for your cooperation.<br>
> Best regards,<br>
> Massimo<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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