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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I will look into it. As my days appear to now be numbered as MIA WG Chair this would no doubt pass on to whomever succeeds me….<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">“Live Life Forward”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Rodney Grubbs, NASA Emeritus & ESDMD Consultant<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Chair, CCSDS Motion Imagery & Applications Working Group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Note: I retired from NASA on March 31, 2023. My Emeritus status only relates to supporting NASA/MSFC’s CCSDS matters.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 4:18 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"Grubbs, Rodney P. (MSFC-AS50)[EMERITUS PROGRAM]" <rodney.p.grubbs@nasa.gov><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"sis-mia@mailman.ccsds.org" <sis-mia@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>WG: [EXTERNAL] Good LIF talk!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi Rodney, MIA folks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">we have received this from Peter, where there are pointers to some current technology trends with respect to voice/video communication achieved via QUIC/Web Transport with
the possible support of L4S. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If I’m not wrong the current video over DTN book is not addressing any of these, which is totally fine. I don’t know either to which extent considering these for future activities
of MIA can be meaningful. What do you think?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Tomaso<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 9. Mai 2024 03:05<br>
<b>An:</b> Howie Weiss (Howard.Weiss@parsons.com) <Howard.Weiss@parsons.com>; Daniel Fischer <Daniel.Fischer@esa.int>; Ignacio Sanchez-Aguillar <Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int>; Bob Durst (durst@mitre.org) <durst@mitre.org>; EXTERNAL-Birrane, Edward J (US
9300-Affiliate) <Edward.Birrane@jhuapl.edu>; de Cola, Tomaso <Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de>; Gilles Moury (Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr) <Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Wagner, Raymond S. (JSC-EV811) <raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov>; Kevin K Gifford <kevin.gifford@colorado.edu>; Wilmot, Jonathan J. (GSFC-5820) (jonathan.j.wilmot@nasa.gov) <jonathan.j.wilmot@nasa.gov><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> FW: [EXTERNAL] Good LIF talk!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Guys,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I assume you are all aware of this, or if not, here is one more crunchy bit to chew upon. Steve is a CSA guy who has been supporting Wagner & Gifford in their SOIS Wireless 3GPP efforts. I hope we can keep
him involved, and/or get him even more involved.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="color:black">Stephen Braham <<a href="mailto:warp@polylab.sfu.ca">warp@polylab.sfu.ca</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:34</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Kevin K Gifford <<a href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu">kevin.gifford@colorado.edu</a>>, Ray Wagner <<a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov">raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov</a>>, Zemba, Michael J. (GRC-LCF0) <<a href="mailto:michael.j.zemba@nasa.gov">michael.j.zemba@nasa.gov</a>>,
Lansdowne, Chatwin (JSC-EV611) <<a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov">chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov</a>>, Ni, David (JSC-EV)[Jacobs Technology, Inc.] <<a href="mailto:david.ni-1@nasa.gov">david.ni-1@nasa.gov</a>>, Brian (ASC/CSA) <<a href="mailto:brian.cascarano@asc-csa.gc.ca">brian.cascarano@asc-csa.gc.ca</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [EXTERNAL] Good LIF talk!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Yup--hopefully we can find a path forward for resources to keep me involved, on the CSA side. Wireless and security go hand in hand, of course, especially as data rates start to cross into the 10's of Gbps and up, and thus a lot more
chance of breaking keys (as more data transmitted = more data to examine for solving for keys, especially on quantum computers). Though I'd like to see how maybe CCSDS can evolve to handle some more of these common issues, via SEA-SA and SEA-SEC. I'm a little
worried that SIS-VOICE seems quiescent right now, as tech like QUIC/WebTransport is now crucial to any streamed IP data flow, and voice hits a bunch of interesting issues (both QUIC and now L4S have roots in audio issues, especially for secure voice, and video).
Especially now that we're going truly lunar, where surface-surface link infrastructure and architectures really need to be added to the architecture map, as they come with their own new issues. There are far more variables in RF propagation and data rates
in a surface environment that add a load more protocol complexity, but solving that protocol complexity, in the commercial surface wireless regime most humans live in, has, indeed, driven all these new protocols such as QUIC/WebTransport and L4S, where you
handle security and latency via one-way zero-RTT cryptographic methods and queuing architecture improvements. Hence the strong connection between wireless and security, not just as a user, but pusher for improvements.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> And you'd hope that all our member space agencies' national security agencies (including the ones in the space domain) would really like this done right! Which itself should generate resources for CCSDS activities.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Best Wishes,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Steve (off a TLS 1.3 WPA3-Enterprise 192-bit connection even at home ;))<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2024-05-08 15:21, Shames, Peter M (US 312B) wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Steve,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Great to hear from you and so glad you like (and appreciated) that “pitch”.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Are you going to be continuing to support this joint NASA / CSA work? You make a big contribution and I (and others, I am sure) really value your inputs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Cheers, Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="color:black">Stephen Braham <a href="mailto:warp@polylab.sfu.ca">
<warp@polylab.sfu.ca></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 11:22</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">
<peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Kevin K Gifford <a href="mailto:kevin.gifford@colorado.edu"><kevin.gifford@colorado.edu></a>, Ray Wagner
<a href="mailto:raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov"><raymond.s.wagner@nasa.gov></a>, Zemba, Michael J. (GRC-LCF0)
<a href="mailto:michael.j.zemba@nasa.gov"><michael.j.zemba@nasa.gov></a>, Lansdowne, Chatwin (JSC-EV611)
<a href="mailto:chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov"><chatwin.lansdowne-1@nasa.gov></a>, Wesley P. (HQ-CG000)[JHU / APL]
<a href="mailto:wesley.p.millard@nasa.gov"><wesley.p.millard@nasa.gov></a>, Ni, David (JSC-EV)[Jacobs Technology, Inc.]
<a href="mailto:david.ni-1@nasa.gov"><david.ni-1@nasa.gov></a>, Brian (ASC/CSA) <a href="mailto:brian.cascarano@asc-csa.gc.ca">
<brian.cascarano@asc-csa.gc.ca></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] Good LIF talk!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Peter,<br>
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Enjoyed your presentation! I agree with all of your points, as I <br>
think you know. In the wireless domain, especially, transitions between <br>
network services are in that millisecond range. As was mentioned in that <br>
one question, and is discussed in the Synopsis doc you've seen, that's <br>
why things like QUIC, WebRTC, WebTransport (which uses QUIC/HTTP/3) and <br>
now L4S exists (which is being pushed to almost all Apple devices as we <br>
speak, for instance). Because most users are on wireless these days, but <br>
you need super-fast network transitions that maintain security. And, as <br>
per the latest SOIR-WIR Blue Book that's hopefully out soon, the <br>
Certificate Authority issues get important. And auth is really more <br>
important that encrypt, because race conditions. Basically, the wireless <br>
networks live on these problems on steroids, of course, because, as you <br>
say, physics rules. And don't get me started on the quantum safe issues <br>
(which I'm working on now, as we transition here to what we need to keep <br>
our work secure at that level). So good to hear your points!<br>
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Best Wishes,<br>
<br>
Steve<br>
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<pre><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">(tel) 778 782-7981 Harbour Centre Campus<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">(fax) 778 782-7980 Vancouver, BC, Canada<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">At Simon Fraser University, we live and work on the unceded <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">traditional territories of the Coast Salish peoples of the<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">xʷməθkwəy̓əm (Musqueam), Skwxwú7mesh (Squamish), and<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Səl̓ílwətaɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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