<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">“tis a fine line we tread.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’ve been in a couple of meetings recently where I came out with the line “Everyone thinks they’re a bloody comms engineer. The converse also appears to be true - we think everyone is also a comms engineer. In my mind, anyone who can’t figure out that the UT service exactly matches the SLS services must be severely hard of thinking - a failure on my part really.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The Blue Book must be absolutely bearer service neutral. We then unfortunately have to go through the unimaginable ball ache of writing explicit conversion layer documents through the CCSDS review process. We need a streamlined review process to get this sort of trivia published.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Dai</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 25 Nov 2014, at 19:48, Burleigh, Scott C (312B) <<a href="mailto:scott.c.burleigh@jpl.nasa.gov" class="">scott.c.burleigh@jpl.nasa.gov</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Well, that is a good point; if omitting this sort of deployment guidance is costing us flight opportunities then we need to provide it. It still doesn’t seem like the CFDP Blue Book is the right place for that, though. Even though it would mean a proliferation of documents and some additional project management, might it be good to start writing Magenta Books for the various CFDP UT-layer adaptations?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Scott<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><a name="_MailEndCompose" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></a></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:29 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Burleigh, Scott C (312B)<br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Keith Scott;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:sis-mia@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">sis-mia@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: [Sis-dtn] RE: Quick comments: [CESG] SIS Resolution to submit Voice and Audio Communications Red Book for processing and CESG Polling for Agency Review (SIS-R-2014-11-003)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Scott,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> I buy completely one of the two comments you offer (or at least I guess so).<br class=""><br class="">When I reworded that paragraph and I wrote the sentence "</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">Class 1 is best used over reliable DTN "UT layer" stack while Class 2 can be used also over unreliable DTN "UT layer" stack.</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">" I just wanted to preserve what was in brackets in the two bullets.<br class="">Clearly writing:<br class=""></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">CFDP supports the following classes.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">– Class 1—Unreliable CFDP Transfer;</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">– Class 2—Reliable CFDP Transfer;</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">Each of the classes can be supported over the DTN Bundle Protocol (reference [19]).</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">Moreover, both classes can also be operated over the Encapsulation Service (reference [722.1-M-1]).</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">is a form that I like a lot and it is more appropriate to show the most "appreciated" CFDP supporters.<br class="">This is assuming that you do not want to keep the remarks in parenthesis in the two bullets.<br class=""><br class="">About the UT layer options, I think we may not need to be exhaustive but any missing link will cost us something.<br class="">With the original formulation of the UT Layer we discovered that many implementers were not sure on how to implement CFDP over space packets.<br class="">I can ensure that this costed "a fortune" for the missed promotion of CFDP usage till we acknowledged that we missed a link between CFPD and the Space Data Link Protocols (or at least that link was ambiguous) and we wrote the CFDP Magenta Book 722.1-M.<br class="">IMO, Leaving in the dark whether/how CFDP can operate over BP pr LTP can be quite negative for DTN promotion and may vrise issues about different implementations and unclear global CCSDS architecture.<br class=""><br class="">That's my cent.<br class=""><br class="">Ciao<br class=""><br class="">Gian Paolo<br class=""><br class=""><span style="color: rgb(153, 0, 153);" class="">-----"Burleigh, Scott C (312B)" <</span></span><a href="mailto:scott.c.burleigh@jpl.nasa.gov" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">scott.c.burleigh@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(153, 0, 153);" class="">> wrote: -----</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: black; border-left-width: 1.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">To: "</span><a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">" <</span><a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">>, "Scott, Keith L." <</span><a href="mailto:kscott@mitre.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">kscott@mitre.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">><br class="">From: "Burleigh, Scott C (312B)" <</span><a href="mailto:scott.c.burleigh@jpl.nasa.gov" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">scott.c.burleigh@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">><br class="">Date: 25/11/2014 20:04<br class="">Cc: "</span><a href="mailto:sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">" <</span><a href="mailto:sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">>, "</span><a href="mailto:sis-mia@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">sis-mia@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">" <</span><a href="mailto:sis-mia@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">sis-mia@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">><br class="">Subject: RE: [Sis-dtn] RE: Quick comments: [CESG] SIS Resolution to submit Voice and Audio Communications Red Book for processing and CESG Polling for Agency Review (SIS-R-2014-11-003)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I have two comments to offer:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I don’t think we want to bias mission concepts by saying that CFDP Class 1 is “best” used over a reliable UT layer such as a reliable DTN stack. Certainly it<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=""><i class="">may</i></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>be used over such a stack, but for some applications it may be desirable to send files in a truly unidirectional, unacknowledged manner where data losses are not repaired, such as Class 1 over TM.</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">We don’t attempt to enumerate UT-layer options in the CFDP Blue Book, because the range of options is unlimited, by design. The only normative language in section 3.4 pertains to the required capabilities; there are no prescribed UT-layer protocol options. In the informative language (“NOTES”) of section 3.4 we do mention that CCSDS Path or Packet service could be used, but of course many other stacks are also possible. So I don’t think we need to note in the CFDP Blue Book that LTP is a possible UT-layer protocol. I’m not convinced that this really needs to be stated anywhere at all, but I wouldn’t oppose noting it in one of the CFDP Green Books if people felt it was truly necessary.</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Scott</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><a href="mailto:sis-dtn-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">sis-dtn-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[</span><a href="mailto:sis-dtn-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">mailto:sis-dtn-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:14 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Scott, Keith L.<br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:sis-mia@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">sis-mia@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Sis-dtn] RE: Quick comments: [CESG] SIS Resolution to submit Voice and Audio Communications Red Book for processing and CESG Polling for Agency Review (SIS-R-2014-11-003)</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Thank you, Keith.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">A few more considerations here below.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">For (non normative) section 2.1 I do concur to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""> leave it to the mission designer to decide exactly what CFDP runs over (BP, Encapsulation, …)</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">So, after a further thought (due to your comment :o) it may be the best is to reword the paragraph to something like the (improvable) text below.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">CFDP supports the following classes.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">– Class 1—Unreliable CFDP Transfer;</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">– Class 2—Reliable CFDP Transfer;</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">Each of the classes can be supported over the DTN Bundle Protocol (reference [19]).</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">Class 1 is best used over reliable DTN "UT layer" stack while Class 2 can be used also over unreliable DTN "UT layer" stack.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">Morevore, both classes can also be operated over the Encapsulation Service (reference [722.1-M-1]).</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">For Clause 4.2.2.2.2 I wait for a consolidated proposal. However keep in mind that also other data link protocols offer VCA service.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">For Clause 4.3.5 , I always thought that CFDP directly over LTP was not allowed.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">If this is not the case, this should be reflected first in the relevant documents (e.g. CFDP section<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">3.4 SERVICES REQUIRED OF THE UNDERLYING COMMUNICATION SYSTEM</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">?).</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Even if the text is in the "e.g." part, we shall not extend standards by making comments in other books. So I definitively agree in making a NOTE (I guess that avoiding "e.g." in normative should be a good practice though I cannot declare myself innocent in this respect).</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Regards</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Gian Paolo</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class="">From: </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">"Scott, Keith L." <</span><a href="mailto:kscott@mitre.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">kscott@mitre.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class="">To: </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">"</span><a href="mailto:osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">" <</span><a href="mailto:osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">>, "</span><a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">" <</span><a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class="">Cc: </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">"</span><a href="mailto:sis-mia@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">sis-mia@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">" <</span><a href="mailto:sis-mia@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">sis-mia@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">>, "</span><a href="mailto:sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">" <</span><a href="mailto:sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class="">Date: </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">25/11/2014 13:39</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class="">Subject: </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">RE: Quick comments: [CESG] SIS Resolution to submit Voice and Audio Communications Red Book for processing and CESG Polling for Agency Review (SIS-R-2014-11-003)</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><hr size="2" width="100%" noshade="" align="center" style="color: rgb(160, 160, 160);" class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class="">I’m pulling in the MIA and DTN lists here.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class="">Ø<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class="">My responses to some of Gian Paolo’s comments inline below.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""> --keith</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><a href="mailto:osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[</span><a href="mailto:osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">mailto:osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=""><br class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:36 AM<b class=""><br class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">; Scott, Keith L.<b class=""><br class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:tomg@aiaa.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">tomg@aiaa.org</span></a><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>AW: Quick comments: [CESG] SIS Resolution to submit Voice and Audio Communications Red Book for processing and CESG Polling for Agency Review (SIS-R-2014-11-003)</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 64, 128);" class="">Hi Gian Paolo,</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 64, 128);" class="">Thank you very much for your inputs. The DTN part was written by the DTN group, but I will check it with them.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 64, 128);" class="">Thanks also for all the others recommendations, I will fix/check all of them.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 64, 128);" class="">Best Regards</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 64, 128);" class="">Osvaldo</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 64, 128);" class=""> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 64, 128);" class=""> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[</span><a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=""><br class="">Gesendet:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Montag, 24. November 2014 17:30<b class=""><br class="">An:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Scott, Keith L.; Peinado, Osvaldo Luis<b class=""><br class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tom Gannett<b class=""><br class="">Betreff:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Quick comments: [CESG] SIS Resolution to submit Voice and Audio Communications Red Book for processing and CESG Polling for Agency Review (SIS-R-2014-11-003)</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Keith, Osvaldo<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> here below a few preliminary quick comments.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">You may want to consider them before CESG poll starts.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">Regards</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">Gian Paolo</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">In section 2.1 I would reword this sentence from:</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">CFDP supports two classes. Each of the classes can be supported over the DTN Bundle Protocol (reference [19]) and DTN Licklider Transport Protocol (LTP) (reference [18]).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">To e.g.:</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">CFDP supports two classes. Each of the classes can be supported over the DTN Bundle Protocol (reference [19]). DTN may eventually operate over the Licklider Transport Protocol (LTP) (reference [18]).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class="">Ø<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class="">I think the question here is how we think voice might be layered (specifically, if we think voice might run DIRECTLY over LTP or not). From the fact that CFDP seems to be the important bit here, we might say something like:</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class="">§<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class="">CFDP supports the following classes, both of which can be supported by the DTN Bundle Protocol (reference [19]).</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class="">Ø<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class="">And leave it to the mission designer to decide exactly what CFDP runs over (BP, Encapsulation, …)</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">Is the terminology <</span>DTN Bundle Protocol<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">>, <</span>DTN Licklider Transport Protocol<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">> correct?</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class="">Ø<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class="">I hadn’t really thought about it too much, but I think this terminology is pretty good (though the reference to LTP was removed in my suggested text above). DTN is the label for ‘the stack’ and Bundle Protocol identifies the particular protocol. We could say something like ‘Bundle Protocol for CCSDS’ (the name of the BP for CCSDS Book) but I think the context, coupled with the reference, make it clear what we’re talking about.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">Clause 4.2.2.2.2<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Advanced Orbiting Systems (AOS) Virtual Channel Access (VCA), AOS [24] Bitstream, and AOS [24] Insert services should be used to transmit voice and audio data.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">I think that this clause should be reworded to be clearer to e.g.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">The following services of AOS [24] should be used to transmit voice and audio data: Virtual Channell Access (VCA), Bitstream, and Insert.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class="">Ø<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class="">I might have said something like</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class="">o <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class="">Voice and audio data should be transferred using<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: red;" class="">(one or more of ???)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class="">the following services: Advanced Orbiting Systems (AOS, [24]) Virtual Channel Access (VCA), AOS Bitstream Service, and AOS Insert.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class="">o <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class="">Not sure about ‘using one of the following’ vs. ‘using the following’ – if we’re thinking these types of transmissions are typically single-hop then ‘one of…’ will work. If a single voice transmission might use multiple transmission mechanisms then ‘using the following’ (or using one or more of the following) is probably better.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">Note also that the VCA Service is also offered by Telemetry (CCSDS 132.0-B) and Telecommand (CCSDS 232.0-B), therefore a user willing to use VCA should not be limited to AOS.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">Clause 4.3.5 </span>Files may be transmitted by any general file transmission protocol, e.g., via CFDP Class 1 or Class 2 (reference [17]), over CCSDS links or over DTN protocol (references [18] and [19]).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">I think here reference 18 should be removed as CFDP would never interface LTP directly.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class="">Ø<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class="">Why not? Once could do CFDP unreliable over LTP Red, for example, in order to write a very small and simple (if non-class-1-supporting) CFDP implementation. I don’t feel too strongly about this one way or the other, especially since this text is in the ‘example’ clause of the sentence and is therefore (the way I would read the document) not normative. It might be better even to separate the example into a NOTE (NOTE: File transfer may for example use CFDP ….) We also don’t have a CFDP over LTP UT layer spec.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">Clause 4.5.5 </span>Frequencies and channelization: If a direct space link to spacecraft is available or if the MCC communicates using a space link to other MCC, the CCSDS standard frequency (reference [20][21][22]) should be used.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">The 3 references mentioned there are the 3 books for Proximity-1. Only [20] addresses the physical layer for "proximity space-to-space links". Since MCC is mentioned I guess that Proximity-1 is not the only candidate.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Please clarify which scenarios are really addressed by this clause and coordinate with Enrico Vassalo (SLS-RFM chair) for the applicable standards.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Moreover, is it correct to address frequencies in normative clause without identifying the complete stack from the voice/audio application down to the physical layer?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Note that if you want to consider the complete stack there are at least Encapsulation Service, TM, TC, AOS to be cited.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">In 5.1 the sentence <In cases involving landers, rovers, orbiting constellations, and orbiting relays, proximity links should be considered (references [20], [21], [22].) > is correct but how is this visible to the voice/audio application that is recommended to run over IPoC, DTN or File Xfer? Can the voice/audio application be really aware of the details of the layers immediately below those of the expected services (i.e. IPoC, DTN, CFDP, etc.)?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class=""><br class="">From: </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">"Scott, Keith L." <</span><a href="mailto:kscott@mitre.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">kscott@mitre.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class=""><br class="">To: </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">"</span><a href="mailto:Secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">" <</span><a href="mailto:Secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">>, "Thomas Gannett" <</span><a href="mailto:tomg@aiaa.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">tomg@aiaa.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class=""><br class="">Cc: </span>"</span><a href="mailto:sis-mia@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">sis-mia@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">" <</span><a href="mailto:sis-mia@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">sis-mia@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">>, "CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec \(</span><a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org\</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">)" <</span><a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">>, "Osvaldo Peinado \(</span><a href="mailto:osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de\</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">)" <</span><a href="mailto:osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class=""><br class="">Date: </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">24/11/2014 14:54</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class=""><br class="">Subject: </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">[CESG] SIS Resolution to submit Voice and Audio Communications Red Book for processing and CESG Polling for Agency Review (SIS-R-2014-11-003)</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class=""><br class="">Sent by: </span><a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><hr size="2" width="100%" noshade="" align="center" style="color: rgb(160, 160, 160);" class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""><br class="">CCSDS Secretariat,</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""><br class=""></span> <span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""><br class="">The SIS Area, on the recommendation of the Voice and Audio Communications Working Group, resolves (via SIS resolution SIS-R-2014-11-003) to submit the attached Red Book for document processing and CESG polling to release the document for agency review.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""><br class=""></span> <span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""><br class="">I believe that Cynthia Sachs-Bustos should have the sources for the drawing in the book. If not then we can provide them.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""><br class=""></span> <span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""><br class=""> Very respectfully,</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""><br class=""></span> <span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""><br class=""> --keith</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""><br class=""></span> <span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""><br class=""></span> <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""><br class=""></span> <b class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class=""><br class="">Dr. Keith Scott</span></b><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> Office: +1.703.983.6547</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class=""><br class="">Chief Engineer, J86A Fax: +1.703.983.7142</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class=""><br class="">Communications Network Engineering & Analysis Email:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:kscott@mitre.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">kscott@mitre.org</span></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class=""><span style="color: blue;" class=""><br class=""></span></u><a href="http://www.mitre.org/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 130, 191);" class="">The MITRE Corporation</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> M/S H300</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class=""><br class="">7515 Colshire Drive</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class=""><br class="">McLean, VA 22102</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class=""><br class=""></span> <span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class=""><br class="">Area Director,</span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""> </span><a href="http://www.ccsds.org/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 130, 191);" class="">CCSDS</span></a><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""> </span><a href="http://cwe.ccsds.org/sis/default.aspx" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 130, 191);" class="">Space Internetworking Services</span></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""><br class=""></span> <span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 95, 95);" class=""><br class="">MITRE self-signs its own certificates. Information about the MITRE PKI Certificate Chain is available from<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.mitre.org/tech/mii/pki/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 130, 191);" class="">http://www.mitre.org/tech/mii/pki/</span></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""><br class=""></span> <span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""><br class=""></span> <span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(55, 96, 94);" class=""><br class=""></span> <b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Keith Scott [</span><a href="mailto:keithlscott@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">mailto:keithlscott@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=""><br class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, November 19, 2014 6:44 PM<b class=""><br class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Scott, Keith L.<b class=""><br class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Fwd: Voice and audio communication book for CESG review</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> <br class="">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br class="">From: <<a href="mailto:osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de</a>><br class="">Date: Nov 19, 2014 5:29 AM<br class="">Subject: Voice and audio communication book for CESG review<br class="">To: <<a href="mailto:tomg@aiaa.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">tomg@aiaa.org</a>><br class="">Cc: <<a href="mailto:aid@mcc.rsa.ru" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">aid@mcc.rsa.ru</a>>, <<a href="mailto:keithlscott@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">keithlscott@gmail.com</a>>, <<a href="mailto:cynthia@sachs-bustos.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cynthia@sachs-bustos.com</a>><br class=""><br class="">Hi Tom<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">As we talk with Keith, here is the book ready for your magic.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">We have several review cycles with Cynthia before the meeting in London and I got today all the final inputs from the WG member.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Thanks a lot for your support<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Best Regards<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Osvaldo<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> <br class=""> <br class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">Dr. Osvaldo Peinado</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">Ground Operations Manager</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">German Space Operations Center (GSOC)<br class="">Tel: </span><a href="tel:%2B49%208153%2028%203010" target="_blank" style="color: purple; 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