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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Since we have requested and then received the approval for the orange book, I don’t think we can simply treat the orange as a backup option. At the time I compiled the orange
book project, the rationale for it was that the BPsec blue could not go on without first IETF to solve the issue with the fragmentation.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Tomaso<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Felix Flentge <Felix.Flentge@esa.int>
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<b>Sent:</b> Montag, 16. Juni 2025 08:06<br>
<b>To:</b> Robert C Durst <durst@mitre.org>; de Cola, Tomaso <Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de>; sburleig.sb@gmail.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Sis-dtn] DTN input to SIS report to CESG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">BPSEC: My understanding regarding BPSEC is that we try to proceed with the Blue Book and we just keep the option of an Orange Book in case there is a delay. To me, a fix to RfC 9171 fragmentation
doesn’t seem too likely given our recent discussions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Management: My understanding is a to-be-defined coloured book for DTN (Node) Managed Information and a Green Book for (Concepts of) DTN Policy Management.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> SIS-DTN <<a href="mailto:sis-dtn-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">sis-dtn-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert C Durst via SIS-DTN<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 16 June 2025 01:08<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>; <a href="mailto:sburleig.sb@gmail.com">
sburleig.sb@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org">sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Sis-dtn] DTN input to SIS report to CESG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB">Re: BIBE - We will proceed with the document as is (BIBE, no segmentation). The jury is still out whether we do an Orange-2 to add segmentation or define a second CLA that segments
<span style="color:black;background:white">or wait for IETF. But there’s value and need for the current state of the doc. Will have Josh send you the latest version of the text. </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;background:white">Re: Management - correct, we only discussed managed information, not the ADMs. </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;background:white">Re: BPSec - We discussed the BPSec Orange Book, and the WG wants to keep it, but feels we can meet the current need by resolving the existing fragmentation
RID by forbidding the combination of fragmentation and BPSec. This seems like a practical near term solution for CCSDS, allowing us to address fragmentation with a combination of configuration parameters limiting ADU size and by using segmenting CLs, such
as LTP. We want to use the Orange Book when a fix is defined in the IETF. </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 15, 2025 3:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:sburleig.sb@gmail.com">sburleig.sb@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:sburleig.sb@gmail.com">sburleig.sb@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Robert C Durst <<a href="mailto:durst@mitre.org">durst@mitre.org</a>>;
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB">Thank you for the additional detail on BIBE. Although I like the idea of the apricots sheets, there exists nothing like this in CCSDS for orange books, in the sense that usually these books
after some time get retired or elevated to blue/magenta. A possible instrument of revision is given by the periodic 5-year review. Also in light of this I’d prefer to have a more complete book, I.e. also including these new procedures, unless there is an urgent
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<span lang="EN-GB">On 14. Jun 2025, at 20:08, <a href="mailto:sburleig.sb@gmail.com">
sburleig.sb@gmail.com</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi, Tomaso. My sense is that as of Thursday the DTNWG had tentatively agreed that procedures for bundle segmentation and reassembly
should be added to BIBE to address known problems with BP fragmentation/reassembly. Bob, was that your sense? If so, should we hold up on the BIBE Orange Book or let it go ahead for now and work on pink sheets (or maybe apricot sheets) for the additional
procedures?</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Scott</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> SIS-DTN <<a href="mailto:sis-dtn-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">sis-dtn-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tomaso de Cola via SIS-DTN<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 13, 2025 12:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:durst@mitre.org">durst@mitre.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org">sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Sis-dtn] DTN input to SIS report to CESG</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"></span><span lang="EN-GB">Hi Bob,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB">Thank you for the slides and for great progress!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB">Just a question for my understanding, we have two orange books projects about network management, one dealing with the architecture (I.e. based on RFC 9675, amp I-D, etc) that Ed and Brian shared
a few weeks ago. Then there is a second one about the DTN management information, which is more about ODM/ADM. From your report I understand only the latter was discussed, or am I wrong?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB">Concerning BIBE I see we are ready for publication, shall I issue a resolution for the CESG poll? In such a case I’d like first to review myself the book.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB">On 13. Jun 2025, at 21:38, Robert C Durst <<u><span style="color:#467886"><a href="mailto:durst@mitre.org"><span style="color:#467886">durst@mitre.org</span></a></span></u>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Slides attached.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">All,</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Whew! What a great week! Thank you to everyone for your hard work and commitment!</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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