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<p class="gmail-p2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">No updates on CMC poll from Tomaso.</p>
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<p class="gmail-p2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Discussion from Joint IETF / CCSDS meeting (monthly / yesterday) -- Tomaso wasn’t there</p>
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<li class="gmail-li2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">BPSec ==> can’t fragment</li>
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<li class="gmail-li2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Everybody agreed on the problems</li>
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<li class="gmail-li2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Not moving super-fast</li>
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<li class="gmail-li2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Will go for a CCSDS orange book to allow fragmentation and security</li>
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<p class="gmail-p3" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";min-height:14px"><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Ed: Possible solutions</p>
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<li class="gmail-li2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">you <i>can</i> do bundle-in-bundle encapsulation of fragments, which is heavy-weight.</li>
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<li class="gmail-li2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">A fragmentation-aware security context could be built, but also not optimal</li>
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<li class="gmail-li2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Orange book</li>
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<p class="gmail-p3" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";min-height:14px"><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Scott also working on an approach that should pose no additional overhead.</p>
<p class="gmail-p3" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";min-height:14px"><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Felix: also discussed yesterday the option to include security on fragments.</p>
<p class="gmail-p3" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";min-height:14px"><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Tomaso: Orange book path seems to be the way to go.<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>Need to create a project.</p>
<p class="gmail-p3" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";min-height:14px"><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:16px 0px 5px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><b>Conclusion: Tomaso to get an Orange book in process.</b><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica">---</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:16px 0px 5px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Wilmot: what’s the real use-case for fragmentation?<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>IPv6 does just fragmentation at source, and we have managed networks so we know the MSS for each link, no?</p>
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<li class="gmail-li2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Yes but, if the path <i>might</i> change, what path MSS do you pick?<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>You would have to just always choose the smallest.</li>
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<p class="gmail-p3" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";min-height:14px"><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:16px 0px 5px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><b>Conclusion: we’d like to be able to fragment in the network.</b><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica">---</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:16px 0px 5px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Brian Sipos: IETF Status</p>
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<li class="gmail-li2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">ion scheme update is in auth-48</li>
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<li class="gmail-li2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Rick Taylor proposed a unidirectional CLA targeted at e.g. DVB</li>
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<li class="gmail-li2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">In call-for-adoption in IETF</li>
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<li class="gmail-li2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">DTNMA drafts continue to be refined (really in examples, limits, boundaries -- the ‘meat’ of the documents are pretty set)</li>
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<li class="gmail-li2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">IETF had an issue w/ the use of YANG syntax for ADM encoding</li>
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<li class="gmail-li2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Bundle-in-bundle encapsulation was updated</li>
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<li class="gmail-li2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Time-variant routing WG requirements document is about last-call status (not quite, but nearly)</li>
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<p class="gmail-p3" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";min-height:14px"><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Simon: in the new ipn scheme is dtn:none no longer required?</p>
<p class="gmail-p3" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";min-height:14px"><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Ed: 5.2 of the update talks about the null endpoint (as referenced from 9171). dtn:none, ipn:0.0, and ipn:0.0.0 are all the null endpoint.</p>
<p class="gmail-p3" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";min-height:14px"><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Alberto: Did testing on ISS with BIBE-CT</p>
<p class="gmail-p3" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";min-height:14px"><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">JW: Artemis is really excited about using the 3-tuple ipn scheme for their mission.</p>
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