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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks Tomaso,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We have requirements in annex B (CLs) that reference BP MIB in the requirements (e.g., LTP parameters).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If we remove these references in the PICS, should they be replaced with something else to ensure Annex B?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Or are we covered with the other features listed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de <Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 10, 2024 2:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jackson, Jonathan W. (MSFC-HP27)[MOSSI2] <jonathan.w.jackson@nasa.gov>; morinaga.yu@jaxa.jp<br>
<b>Cc:</b> sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Sis-dtn] [EXTERNAL] RE: BPv7 RIDs and Updates<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">But if the annex has become informative, practically speaking it does not belong to the specification and as such it won’t be in any case part of any interoperability. As such I don’t see how we
could indicate a corresponding item (i.e. coming from an informative annex) in the NPICS and label it as ‘optional’. My understand it is that we have to refer to items (i.e. functionalities, capabilities, etc.) which are defined in the normative part of the
document only and if not relevant for the interoperability label as ‘optional’.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Am I missing something here?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Tomaso<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> SIS-DTN <<a href="mailto:sis-dtn-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">sis-dtn-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jackson, Jonathan W. (MSFC-HP27)[MOSSI2] via SIS-DTN<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Dienstag, 9. Juli 2024 21:30<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:morinaga.yu@jaxa.jp">morinaga.yu@jaxa.jp</a>; <a href="mailto:sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org">
sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Sis-dtn] [EXTERNAL] RE: BPv7 RIDs and Updates<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks Yu!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Fair point…if everyone agrees will update these to “optional.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks again!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:morinaga.yu@jaxa.jp">morinaga.yu@jaxa.jp</a> <<a href="mailto:morinaga.yu@jaxa.jp">morinaga.yu@jaxa.jp</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 9, 2024 7:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jackson, Jonathan W. (MSFC-HP27)[MOSSI2] <<a href="mailto:jonathan.w.jackson@nasa.gov">jonathan.w.jackson@nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org">sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] RE: [Sis-dtn] BPv7 RIDs and Updates<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif">Dear all </span>
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">In RID No.99, ANNEX C is made informative.<br>
However, the status of PICS (A5.5) No. 51-54 regarding MIB remains "mandatory".<br>
Is it mistake? I think the status should be made "optional" instead of "mandatory".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">Yu</span><span style="font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> SIS-DTN <<a href="mailto:sis-dtn-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">sis-dtn-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jackson, Jonathan W. (MSFC-HP27)[MOSSI2] via SIS-DTN<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 28, 2024 2:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org">sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Sis-dtn] BPv7 RIDs and Updates<br>
<b>Importance:</b> High<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Attached is the updated BPv7 book and RID spreadsheet for Final Reviews.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We<span lang="JA" style="font-family:"MS PGothic",sans-serif">致</span>e drafted the following
<b><span style="color:#4472C4">note</span></b> for RID 115 based on our discussion during today<span lang="JA" style="font-family:"MS PGothic",sans-serif">痴</span> telecon:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;color:black">RID Short Title<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;color:black">From<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;color:black">To<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;color:black">Supporting Analysis<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;color:black">4.3.4<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;color:black">Creation Timestamp Sequence Number Clarification<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;color:black">The creation timestamp shall comprise the bundle creation time and the creation timestamp sequence number.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;color:black">The creation timestamp shall comprise the bundle creation time and the creation timestamp sequence number.
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</span><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;color:#4472C4">NOTE: Implementations may choose to use the source node id and the creation timestamp sequence number. However, a global counter or a separate counter for each fully qualified source node ID is possible.</span></b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;color:black">Without this wording there is enough ambiguity to allow for implementors to either associate the sequence number of the creation timestamp to a global counter which is the intent or on a per service
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please let me know if you have any comments or questions.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Jonathan<o:p></o:p></p>
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