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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Tomaso, all, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Based on the discussion it seems that we have two options:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Discuss/review the RIDs to determine if another agency review is warranted<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Agree to recommend an additional agency review, since there were several RIDs/updates (“late”) received/made after the first review<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I suggest we discuss and make a decision as a group at our next telecon.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For those who may not be able to attend, please send your thoughts and/or vote via email.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Respectfully,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Jonathan<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> SIS-DTN <sis-dtn-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> <b>
On Behalf Of </b>Tomaso de Cola via SIS-DTN<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 10, 2024 11:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> keithlscott@gmail.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [BULK] Re: [Sis-dtn] Telecon 20240606 Notes<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">Hello Keith, all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">just a clarification about the review process and what’s happening afterwards.
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<p class="MsoNormal">The RID report (excel sheet) has to be cross-checked by the RID originator, so that the corresponding RIDs can be closed. As such, there is no need for running an addition agency review just to check whether the RIDs have been correctly
addressed. As a matter of fact, the completed RIDs report is one of the items to be attached to the area resolution towards CESG, when the publication of the book is targeted. This is something I’ve discussed and clarified with Tom last week. As the point
of running or not a new review, Tom clearly told me that in case new material is added to the book, which was not either requested during agency reviews or not made available before that agency review started, then indeed a new agency review must be started.
A second agency review, differently from the first one, does not go through CESG approval and as such its start should happen more quickly. Nevertheless, it is still about 60 days duration. Tom told me that in the clauses included in the CCSDS yellow book
about Org&Proc open the door for changing the duration of the review, hence possibly allowing for shorter reviews. But as a matter of fact, all agencies always take the full bunch of 60 days (or even more), so that he does not recommend to have a shorter review,
as it may preclude some agencies to finalise their review in time. This said and based on the iterations had in the previous weeks on RIDs and the document, I’m afraid a second agency review is indeed necessary.
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<p class="MsoNormal">But we can certainly discuss further on this offline and then at the next telco.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Tomaso<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE"> SIS-DTN <<a href="mailto:sis-dtn-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">sis-dtn-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Keith Scott via SIS-DTN<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 6. Juni 2024 17:50<br>
<b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org">sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> [Sis-dtn] Telecon 20240606 Notes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:13.5pt">Second Agency Review for BPv7</span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">We're going to go over the BPv7 RIDS spreadsheet next week. Goal is to determine whether or not we need a second agency review (do the RIDS introduce significant technical changes to the document).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">Relevant CCSDS Document: <a href="https://public.ccsds.org/Pubs/A02x1y4c2.pdf">
Organization and Processes for the Consultative Committee for Space Data Systems, CCSDS A02.1-Y-4</a> (and its associated corrigenda, which I don't think impact this work) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">In particular: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">b) increasing draft issue numbers shall be assigned to successive versions of the draft document released in successive iterations of the review (see annex
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">c) if substantive changes are made to a document that has completed review without technical comment, the Secretariat shall conduct a final review in which
Agencies can approve or reject the document but may not suggest additional changes;</span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">d) the Secretariat shall follow the same procedures for posting review materials and review announcement for each iteration of a review.</span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:13.5pt">DTN Reference Scenarios for Earth Observation, Lunar and Mars</span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">Looking to get _3_ scenarios (Earth-observing, Lunar, Mars).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">3 scenarios (do NOT get down in the weeks arguing over exact data rates<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">See the recording / slides for proposed scenarios (topologies including different agency ownership, connectivity, data rates)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">Felix put the slides on the CCSDS site <a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/sis/docs/SIS-DTN/Other%20Documents/DTN%20Reference%20Scenario">
in this folder</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"> --keith<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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