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<div style="direction:ltr">The IETF perspective is the BPv6 was an experimental specification.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">Existing operational missions (I am only aware of PACE?) must support BPv6 but there should not be an expectation of new work for BPv6 beyond required sustainment of existing operational deployments.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">In my opinion.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">-Ed</div>
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<div><b>Date: </b><span>Wednesday, Mar 27, 2024 at 3:38 PM</span></div>
<div><b>To: </b><span>durst@mitre.org <<a href="mailto:durst@mitre.org">durst@mitre.org</a>></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Concerning Leigh’s point, as soon as BPv7 book will be published as 734.2-B-2, the previous release I.e. BPv6 will become silver (I.e, obsoleted and maintained as historical record).
<div>If I’m not wrong we took this path exactly because we wanted CCSDS to go on only with BPv7 and “forget” about v6. Now if on the contrary it turns out that we would like instead to keep both, maybe v6 for not that long I’ll check with Tom how to handle
this situation. I’d expect that we could have a new number for v7 and issue a corrigendum for the title of v6 book.</div>
<div>But first of all, we must agree on what we want to do here. </div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On 27. Mar 2024, at 19:54, Robert C Durst via SIS-DTN <sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have arranged for someone to open the telecon line tomorrow, but I won’t be able to attend due to a conflict.
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<p class="MsoNormal">*<b>If</b>* it seems like there is a quorum:</p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">Also, Leigh Torgerson sent the following comment on the BPv7 blue book that I think merits some consideration. We can discuss during the BPv7 discussion at the CCSDS meeting, but I’d like folks to consider
this beforehand:</li></ol>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Subject: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">CCSDS BP Specs - late agency review comment</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">I wish to note that while BPv6 is, I assume, deprecated (where does it say that in any CCSDS docs, by the way?), we still have missions and users flying BPv6, and in the future
<u>continued support for bpv6 is required.</u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">If a user wishes to write a new application that is designed for BPv6, do we put in the contract to write something that is compatible with BP as specified by 734.2-B-1 (which does not indicate any particular version
of BP in its title), and then on another project using BPv7 specify 734.2-P-1.1 (which has the same title as 734.2-B-1)?? Do you seriously think that won’t be confusing??</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">If you are going to change a protocol in such a dramatic manner as to completely eliminate backward compatibility, from a System Engineering point of view, and as one who has to help both projects and the DSN do
the formal documentation of what service agreements are with external customers, I believe CCSDS is making a bad mistake not giving the Bluebooks SEPARATE numbers and titles that indicate that the specification is for a particular protocol that is totally
incompatible with another protocol with the same CCSDS book name.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">The recommendation is therefore to Change the title of the current BPv7 draft specification to “CCSDS BUNDLE PROTOCOL v7 SPECIFICATION”, assign it a new and non-confusing CCSDS book number, and then to add to the
title of the existing 2015 BPv6 734.2-B-1 the indication that it is for BPv6.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">This would be both sound System Engineering practice, as well as sound contractual practice in accordance with both FARs and UCC regulations.</p>
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</span></span>Should we publish BPv7 as a separately numbered Blue Book rather than an update to the previous Blue Book?</p>
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</span></span>Should we revise the Blue Book to retain support for both versions? (I haven’t begun to consider what *<b>that</b>* does to naming and so forth.)</p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.0in; text-indent:-.25in"><span style="">3)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span>Should BPv6 be reaffirmed or eventually be transitioned to Silver (historical) status? If Silver, when?</p>
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</span></span>What is the IETF posture on BPv6 (RFC 5050)? It is listed as an experimental protocol, while RFC9171 is “standards track,” but not yet an internet standard. There is no attempt in the IETF to maintain backward compatibility, because nothing
in the IETF world is using BPv6 operationally, unlike the CCSDS world.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If there’s not a quorum, please ponder these and we’ll return to them later.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you!<br>
Bob</p>
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