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    <p>The DTN flight node developers already have a detailed list of
      fault condition triggers and are working with network management
      folks to see what might be standardized. We capture selected
      state, time, and source EID of the problem bundle(s) and send an
      event message. Included is a compression and/or filtering
      mechanism for faults that can occur repeatedly so we don't flood.<br>
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    <p>These event messages can be acted on by local network management
      and are stored to be sent to network management when a link is
      available.  <br>
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    <p>Note this is a common pattern used by embedded flight systems.<br>
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     Kind Regards,<br>
    <br>
                 Jonathan<br>
     <br>
    Jonathan Wilmot<br>
    Vantage Systems, Inc<br>
    NASA/GSFC 580<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/25/2023 12:56 AM, Vint Cerf via
      SIS-DTN wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">keep in mind that some of the real-time functions
        we found useful in the Internet may be less useful in the DTN
        because of uncertain and long delays for response - the
        resolution of a transient problem may get data too late to be
        useful. We might need to think through triggers in the bundle
        relay nodes that capture state when a problem arises and sends
        to a network management site. 
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 25, 2023 at
          2:40 AM 구철회 via SIS-DTN <<a
            href="mailto:sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org"
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                <p><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US">Hi, Ed.<br>
                    <br>
                    Here is my list for potential DTN services that I
                    think would come someday.<br>
                    <br>
                    - BP ping<br>
                    - BP chat<br>
                    - CFDP<br>
                    - Video streaming<br>
                    - BP traceroute<br>
                    - BP HTTP<br>
                    - Network management protocol<br>
                    <br>
                    Best,<br>
                    Cheol<br>
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                    Message: 1<br>
                    Date: Tue, 23 May 2023 02:29:11 +0000<br>
                    From: "Birrane, Edward J." <<a
                      href="mailto:Edward.Birrane@jhuapl.edu"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Edward.Birrane@jhuapl.edu</a>><br>
                    To: Felix Flentge <<a
                      href="mailto:Felix.Flentge@esa.int"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Felix.Flentge@esa.int</a>>,
                    "<a href="mailto:sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org</a>"<br>
                            <<a
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                    Subject: Re: [Sis-dtn] IPN URI Scheme Service
                    Numbers<br>
                    Message-ID: <<a
                      href="mailto:8fbf017ec65a4ebc8f51e51b32955830@jhuapl.edu"
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                    I would encourage any observations on the need for
                    standard service numbers (and that they are not port
                    numbers) to be also made to the DTNWG mailing list.
                    It would help inform the discussion that is
                    occurring there.<br>
                    <br>
                    -Ed<br>
                    <br>
                    Edward J. Birrane, III, Ph.D. (he/him/his) Chief
                    Engineer, Space Constellation Networking Supervisor,
                    Embedded Applications Group Space Exploration Sector
                    Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory<br>
                    (W) <a href="tel:(443)%20778-7423"
                      value="+14437787423" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">443-778-7423</a> / (C) <a
                      href="tel:(443)%20690-8272" value="+14436908272"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">443-690-8272</a><br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    > -----Original Message-----<br>
                    > From: Felix Flentge <<a
                      href="mailto:Felix.Flentge@esa.int"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Felix.Flentge@esa.int</a>><br>
                    > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 11:50 AM<br>
                    > To: Birrane, Edward J. <<a
                      href="mailto:Edward.Birrane@jhuapl.edu"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Edward.Birrane@jhuapl.edu</a>>;
                    sis-<br>
                    > <a href="mailto:dtn@mailman.ccsds.org"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dtn@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br>
                    > Subject: [EXT] RE: IPN URI Scheme Service
                    Numbers<br>
                    ><br>
                    > APL external email warning: Verify sender <a
                      href="mailto:Felix.Flentge@esa.int"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Felix.Flentge@esa.int</a>
                    before<br>
                    > clicking links or attachments<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Hi,<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Seems to be a very sensible proposal to me. For
                    the more immediate future,<br>
                    > I assume that there will be only limited need
                    for interoperable use of service<br>
                    > numbers (ie, an application of one agency
                    communicating to an application<br>
                    > of another agency) and I would expect missions
                    to pick the low service<br>
                    > numbers for their (private) M&C and payload
                    needs anyway. What we might<br>
                    > want to agree on are service numbers used for
                    network management and<br>
                    > diagnostic needs (e.g., bpecho).<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Regards,<br>
                    > Felix<br>
                    ><br>
                    > -----Original Message-----<br>
                    > From: SIS-DTN <<a
                      href="mailto:sis-dtn-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    On Behalf Of Birrane,<br>
                    > Edward J. via SIS-DTN<br>
                    > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 2:38 PM<br>
                    > To: <a href="mailto:sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br>
                    > Subject: [Sis-dtn] IPN URI Scheme Service
                    Numbers<br>
                    ><br>
                    > WG,<br>
                    ><br>
                    >   Last week at the SIS-DTN weekly meeting we
                    had a good discussion on<br>
                    > allocation strategies for IPN service numbers.<br>
                    ><br>
                    >   IIRC, there were three major areas of
                    discussion related to these numbers:<br>
                    > encoding size, allocation policy, and registry
                    ownership.<br>
                    ><br>
                    >   The encoding size discussion noted that the
                    CBOR encoding of service<br>
                    > numbers creates a very small allocation of
                    1-byte encodings (0-23), a small<br>
                    > allocation of 2-byte encodings (24-155), a
                    moderate size allocation of 3-byte<br>
                    > encodings (256-65,535), and then 4+ byte
                    encodings that give us the<br>
                    > remainder of the 64bit service number space.<br>
                    ><br>
                    >   The allocation policy discussion noted that
                    there was a good case for<br>
                    > "private use" service numbers for
                    mission-specific use cases (commanding,<br>
                    > telemetry) that do not otherwise map to a
                    standardized protocol. These<br>
                    > mission specific service numbers should not be
                    standardized (they are<br>
                    > mission specific) and there should be some
                    allowance for them in the small<br>
                    > encoding space since they will be used by
                    missions often (perhaps most<br>
                    > often).<br>
                    ><br>
                    >   The registry ownership discussion noted that
                    IANA is creating (updating<br>
                    > really..) a registry for service numbers and
                    should there be a SANA allocation<br>
                    > in that registry.<br>
                    ><br>
                    >   At the end of the discussion the following
                    proposal was put forward:<br>
                    ><br>
                    > 1 byte service numbers (1-23) will be private
                    use .<br>
                    > 2 byte service numbers (24-255) will be expert
                    review with a 64-id chunk<br>
                    > allocated to SANA.<br>
                    > 3 byte service numbers (256-65k) will be cut
                    1/3 private use, 1/3 IANA<br>
                    > managed and 1/3 IANA managed but given to SANA.<br>
                    > 4 byte will have a chunk of experimental.<br>
                    > 4+bytes is unassigned.<br>
                    ><br>
                    >   This continues to be an area of active
                    discussion in the IETF mailing list.<br>
                    > Some IETF participants are proposing that all
                    service numbers be private-use<br>
                    > and there be no standard service numbers since
                    service discovery is better<br>
                    > done today independent of port numbers. I
                    disagree with this position -<br>
                    > service numbers are not port numbers - but that
                    case needs to be made, for<br>
                    > those interested in following the discussion on
                    the IETF mailing list.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > -Ed<br>
                    ><br>
                    > ---<br>
                    > Edward J. Birrane, III, Ph.D. (he/him/his)
                    Chief Engineer, Space Constellation<br>
                    > Networking Supervisor, Embedded Applications
                    Group Space Exploration<br>
                    > Sector Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory<br>
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